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"If that holds true it would put 400 million people at risk of annual coastal flooding by 2100," said Prof Shepherd. At least the prognosticators are getting s

"If that holds true it would put 400 million people at risk of annual coastal flooding by 2100," said Prof Shepherd. At least the prognosticators are getting smart enough to make sure their predictions can't be assessed until after they're gone. Means no egg on your face like all the doomsayers of times past... https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyp... And the lede, "give more money to programs I think are important", is buried: His particular concern is to see successors to the European Space Agency's CryoSat-2 satellite and the American space agency's IceSat-2 platform. These models observe more of the ice sheets than other satellites because they fly orbits that go very close to the north and south poles. "I fear we will soon be back to the situation of the early 2000s when we had to make do with missions that were not really designed to look at polar regions. We'll be doing our best despite the absence of the data we really require - unfortunately. But we've been there before." My reflexive skepticism at the climate panic du jour aside, if you're convinced disaster is certain if we don't do something and if that something necessarily reduces the quality of life of everyone around you, you will fail. I, and billions of others, will refuse to go along. All reasonable, sensible, attainable solutions are technological.

esarbe 7y ago
You know who's not propagating climate crisis hysteria just to secure a lifetime paycheck? The Exxon climate scientists of the 1970s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_cont... > In July 1977, a senior scientist of Exxon James Black reported to company's executives that there was a general scientific agreement at that time that the burning of fossil fuels was the most likely manner in which mankind was influencing global climate change Take it from the horse's mouth; these guys had no reason to propagate some kind of hoax, quite the opposite. We've known that since the 1970s that climate change is the likely outcome. And you know what; climate change has arrived and - surprise! - it's a climate crisis! According to IPCC 2018, we're CURRENTLY between +0.75 and +1.25°C, with the very real possibility of reaching +2°C by the 2040. These are undeniable facts. So, the people that have been warning us for 50 years were .. actually correct. Who would have thought that science could work!
- trentnix 7y ago
  So, the people that have been warning us for 50 years were .. actually correct. No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. The glaciers in Glacier National Park did not disappear. The polar ice caps did not melt. Widespread famine did not occur. Widespread destruction did not occur. Instead, humanity has experience it's greatest period of prosperity in the same period prophets like Ehrlich assured us of our impending doom. Doom is always right around the corner. Who would have thought that science could work! Science always works. But scientists get things wrong frequently.
  - esarbe 7y ago
    Let's try to pick some of your claims. Let's start with Global Cooling. Although popularized by the media, this theory was very fringe and not accepted scientific consensus. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling) The glaciers in Glacier National Park; they are melting. And melting fast (https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm) The polar ice caps are melting. We've had a 11% reduction in are in about 20 years. (https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_nh_iceextent_daily_5years_en.png https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_...) If we continue like that, widespread famine and destruction are just around the corner. We're currently running into that, head first, full speed ahead.
  - tzs 7y ago
    > No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. 1. Only a small fraction of scientists predicted an ice age. 2. Those predictions were based on the assumption that we wouldn't do anything to seriously address the increasing release of particulates into the atmosphere. Particulates have a cooling effect. The models predicting an ice age predicted that the particulate cooling effect would be enough to overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gas emissions. 3. We in fact took particulates seriously, leading to a massive decrease in particulate emissions, thereby invalidating the assumption that led those models to forecast that the cooling effect would overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gases.

esarbe 7y ago

You know who's not propagating climate crisis hysteria just to secure a lifetime paycheck? The Exxon climate scientists of the 1970s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_cont... > In July 1977, a senior scientist of Exxon James Black reported to company's executives that there was a general scientific agreement at that time that the burning of fossil fuels was the most likely manner in which mankind was influencing global climate change Take it from the horse's mouth; these guys had no reason to propagate some kind of hoax, quite the opposite. We've known that since the 1970s that climate change is the likely outcome. And you know what; climate change has arrived and - surprise! - it's a climate crisis! According to IPCC 2018, we're CURRENTLY between +0.75 and +1.25°C, with the very real possibility of reaching +2°C by the 2040. These are undeniable facts. So, the people that have been warning us for 50 years were .. actually correct. Who would have thought that science could work!

trentnix 7y ago
So, the people that have been warning us for 50 years were .. actually correct. No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. The glaciers in Glacier National Park did not disappear. The polar ice caps did not melt. Widespread famine did not occur. Widespread destruction did not occur. Instead, humanity has experience it's greatest period of prosperity in the same period prophets like Ehrlich assured us of our impending doom. Doom is always right around the corner. Who would have thought that science could work! Science always works. But scientists get things wrong frequently.
- esarbe 7y ago
  Let's try to pick some of your claims. Let's start with Global Cooling. Although popularized by the media, this theory was very fringe and not accepted scientific consensus. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling) The glaciers in Glacier National Park; they are melting. And melting fast (https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm) The polar ice caps are melting. We've had a 11% reduction in are in about 20 years. (https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_nh_iceextent_daily_5years_en.png https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_...) If we continue like that, widespread famine and destruction are just around the corner. We're currently running into that, head first, full speed ahead.
- tzs 7y ago
  > No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. 1. Only a small fraction of scientists predicted an ice age. 2. Those predictions were based on the assumption that we wouldn't do anything to seriously address the increasing release of particulates into the atmosphere. Particulates have a cooling effect. The models predicting an ice age predicted that the particulate cooling effect would be enough to overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gas emissions. 3. We in fact took particulates seriously, leading to a massive decrease in particulate emissions, thereby invalidating the assumption that led those models to forecast that the cooling effect would overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gases.