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Denmark did act yesterday evening & today: - events with more than 100 people forbidden. - all schools will close - all non-critical employees must stay home

Denmark did act yesterday evening & today: - events with more than 100 people forbidden. - all schools will close - all non-critical employees must stay home. - all private employees off-job as much as possible. - stay in your home. - don't travel to [many] countries, more restricts will come. - All indoor cultural institutions, libraries, leisure facilities, etc. are closed. And today they made a temporary law which will sunset 1 year from now (the law is only in effect for 1 year): - ability to force people to be tested and put into isolation - enter homes without warrant when occupant is suspected to be infected. - much expanded ability to forbid events and collection of people (Note: the permission to assemble is just as fundamental culturally to Danish people as freedom-of-speech is to USA). - ability to forbid/restrict use of transportation (likely number of passengers in buses, trains) - suspension of "free choice" of hospitals and quarantee of treatment within some time frame (we have "socialized medicin" where we have a right to treatment within a given time frame) - allow temporary suspension of other laws if deemed necessary Why did this happend now: They were told yesterday that Northern Italy no longer has enough resources in their health care system and that there are now official guidelines for whom to treat and whom to let die: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-h... Italy is close and "one of us".

mhandley 7y ago
Denmark's situation is very unusual. This graph gives an idea of where Denmark lies relative to Italy: http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/covid-eu-norm2.png http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/covid-eu-norm2.png This is actual case data, plotted with the time offsets shown in the key. No other country had a ramp-up like that. Right now, Denmark is 5-6 days behind Italy in terms of cases per million inhabitants, and the incubation period is about that time. Really pleased to see some quick decision making on the part of the Danish government.
- bufferoverflow 7y ago
  Maybe it is quick decision making, but the list of decisions is questionable. This one the most: > events with more than 100 people forbidden. Which still allows rapid infections of relatively large groups of people. In Italy you can't even walk outside without a valid reason (buying groceries, medical emergency, solo exercising).
mercutio2 7y ago
Freedom of assembly is at an equal level of importance, legally, in the USA, to freedom of speech; they’re set forth in the same amendment. Culturally, freedom of assembly is, if anything, MORE significant for Americans than freedom of speech, it’s just not relevant to Internet forums, so you don’t hear it much discussed online. Neither right is absolute.
- lm28469 7y ago
  What are you trying to express ?
  - MperorM 7y ago
    If I understand him right he's pointing out freedom of assembly is just as significant a right for Americans as Danish citizens. I would go a step further and argue it is much more significant to American culture than Danish, and I feel my opinion carries at least some weight given I am a Danish person living in California.
    - mercutio2 7y ago
      Yes, thanks for clarifying. I was trying to avoid making a comparative statement about the importance of freedom of assembly between cultures; I have no idea if freedom of assembly is important to Danish people! But I suspect I obscured my meaning by trying to avoid making a statement about people I don't know.
apexalpha 7y ago
We have just had an announcement in the Netherlands with pretty much the same, except for one notable differnce. The Dutch government keeps schools open. They say closing schools would also force many parents to stay at home and that many of them are much needed in health care, police etc..
- angry_octet 7y ago
  In Switzerland they decided to let schools stay open for the moment, because otherwise grandparents may have been looking after the children, which could have boosted an otherwise intermittent infection vector. Quite sensible I would say.

mhandley 7y ago

Denmark's situation is very unusual. This graph gives an idea of where Denmark lies relative to Italy: http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/covid-eu-norm2.png http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/covid-eu-norm2.png This is actual case data, plotted with the time offsets shown in the key. No other country had a ramp-up like that. Right now, Denmark is 5-6 days behind Italy in terms of cases per million inhabitants, and the incubation period is about that time. Really pleased to see some quick decision making on the part of the Danish government.

bufferoverflow 7y ago
Maybe it is quick decision making, but the list of decisions is questionable. This one the most: > events with more than 100 people forbidden. Which still allows rapid infections of relatively large groups of people. In Italy you can't even walk outside without a valid reason (buying groceries, medical emergency, solo exercising).

mercutio2 7y ago

Freedom of assembly is at an equal level of importance, legally, in the USA, to freedom of speech; they’re set forth in the same amendment. Culturally, freedom of assembly is, if anything, MORE significant for Americans than freedom of speech, it’s just not relevant to Internet forums, so you don’t hear it much discussed online. Neither right is absolute.

lm28469 7y ago
What are you trying to express ?
- MperorM 7y ago
  If I understand him right he's pointing out freedom of assembly is just as significant a right for Americans as Danish citizens. I would go a step further and argue it is much more significant to American culture than Danish, and I feel my opinion carries at least some weight given I am a Danish person living in California.
  - mercutio2 7y ago
    Yes, thanks for clarifying. I was trying to avoid making a comparative statement about the importance of freedom of assembly between cultures; I have no idea if freedom of assembly is important to Danish people! But I suspect I obscured my meaning by trying to avoid making a statement about people I don't know.

apexalpha 7y ago

We have just had an announcement in the Netherlands with pretty much the same, except for one notable differnce. The Dutch government keeps schools open. They say closing schools would also force many parents to stay at home and that many of them are much needed in health care, police etc..

angry_octet 7y ago
In Switzerland they decided to let schools stay open for the moment, because otherwise grandparents may have been looking after the children, which could have boosted an otherwise intermittent infection vector. Quite sensible I would say.