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Did Trump Administration Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?

41 points by Maakuth 7y ago

Justsignedup 7y ago
Snopes is a good source. Should be spread everywhere. I hope this becomes the republican death spiral.
- dexen 7y ago
  >Snopes is a good source. They can't tell satire from news. They keep[1] fact-checking[2] satire[3], published a self-congratulatory excuse[4], and occasionally dip their toes in fact-checking memes[5]. Good laugh, not much trust in their integrity over making a quick buck. -- [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/snopes-babylon-bee.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/snopes-babylon-bee.htm... [2] https://reason.com/podcast/christian-satire-site-the-babylon-bee-is-so-good-snopes-com-treated-it-like-real-news/ https://reason.com/podcast/christian-satire-site-the-babylon... [3] https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-fact-checker-declares-war-on-satire-11566428259 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-fact-checker-declares-war-on-... [4] https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/16/readers-think-satire-is-real/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/16/readers-think-satire-... [5] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/your-city-on-socialism/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/your-city-on-socialism/
air7 7y ago
tldr: Claim: The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. Rating: True
grayed-down 7y ago
Fake News. The national security counsel was restructured in 2018. The mission and objectives related to pandemic and bio weapon response have not changed in the slightest. This snopes site is working under a leftist agenda, and I encourage anyone with an interest in this assertion to research it back far enough to obtain proper context.
- dr_dshiv 7y ago
  I assume that Snopes Inc doesn't want an agenda -- but that many writers at Snopes are anti-Trump. To support your claim, what information or sources can you provide that an open minded person would find plausible?
  - ponsin 7y ago
    How many examples (this being 1) would an "open minded" person need to find it plausible?
    - caconym_ 7y ago
      An "example" would be a source saying that these people were not pushed out, or that equivalent roles were created and re-filled during/after the "restructuring". That has not yet been provided in this subthread. GGP's post is non sequitur nonsense—all he's doing is throwing out the "liberal" slur that's so popular with Reddit quarantine zone denizens and hoping nobody on either "side" notices that what he's saying doesn't make an ounce of sense.
      - jfengel 7y ago
        Given that the user's name is "grayed-down", I'm pretty sure they're aware of that. It's an uninterrupted litany of standard tactics for distracting, evading, and ignoring. Poe's Law mean that it's hard to tell somebody pretending to be obtuse from somebody actually being obtuse.
      - ponsin 7y ago
        A website run with a leftist agenda, or any agenda for that matter, can take "facts" and word it in ways that can give the reader a false world view. To give an example from the right, while most of what fox news says is factually accurate, most open minded person would not use it to know what's going on in the world.
        caconym_ 7y ago
March_f6 7y ago
No one should be surprised by this, especially not enough to claim it as "fake news". Its entirely consistent with the administration's approach to the role of government. Unfortunately it took a crisis like this to make clear a good reason why we need large government for some things.

41 points by Maakuth 7y ago

Justsignedup 7y ago

Snopes is a good source. Should be spread everywhere. I hope this becomes the republican death spiral.

dexen 7y ago
>Snopes is a good source. They can't tell satire from news. They keep[1] fact-checking[2] satire[3], published a self-congratulatory excuse[4], and occasionally dip their toes in fact-checking memes[5]. Good laugh, not much trust in their integrity over making a quick buck. -- [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/snopes-babylon-bee.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/snopes-babylon-bee.htm... [2] https://reason.com/podcast/christian-satire-site-the-babylon-bee-is-so-good-snopes-com-treated-it-like-real-news/ https://reason.com/podcast/christian-satire-site-the-babylon... [3] https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-fact-checker-declares-war-on-satire-11566428259 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-fact-checker-declares-war-on-... [4] https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/16/readers-think-satire-is-real/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/16/readers-think-satire-... [5] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/your-city-on-socialism/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/your-city-on-socialism/

air7 7y ago

tldr: Claim: The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. Rating: True

grayed-down 7y ago

Fake News. The national security counsel was restructured in 2018. The mission and objectives related to pandemic and bio weapon response have not changed in the slightest. This snopes site is working under a leftist agenda, and I encourage anyone with an interest in this assertion to research it back far enough to obtain proper context.

dr_dshiv 7y ago
I assume that Snopes Inc doesn't want an agenda -- but that many writers at Snopes are anti-Trump. To support your claim, what information or sources can you provide that an open minded person would find plausible?
- ponsin 7y ago
  How many examples (this being 1) would an "open minded" person need to find it plausible?
  - caconym_ 7y ago
    An "example" would be a source saying that these people were not pushed out, or that equivalent roles were created and re-filled during/after the "restructuring". That has not yet been provided in this subthread. GGP's post is non sequitur nonsense—all he's doing is throwing out the "liberal" slur that's so popular with Reddit quarantine zone denizens and hoping nobody on either "side" notices that what he's saying doesn't make an ounce of sense.
    - jfengel 7y ago
      Given that the user's name is "grayed-down", I'm pretty sure they're aware of that. It's an uninterrupted litany of standard tactics for distracting, evading, and ignoring. Poe's Law mean that it's hard to tell somebody pretending to be obtuse from somebody actually being obtuse.
    - ponsin 7y ago
      A website run with a leftist agenda, or any agenda for that matter, can take "facts" and word it in ways that can give the reader a false world view. To give an example from the right, while most of what fox news says is factually accurate, most open minded person would not use it to know what's going on in the world.
      - caconym_ 7y ago

March_f6 7y ago

No one should be surprised by this, especially not enough to claim it as "fake news". Its entirely consistent with the administration's approach to the role of government. Unfortunately it took a crisis like this to make clear a good reason why we need large government for some things.