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Now we're talking about the internet. When you get online, you're entering a public space. Being physically inside your house at the time is irrelevant IMO. You

Now we're talking about the internet. When you get online, you're entering a public space. Being physically inside your house at the time is irrelevant IMO. You don't have to buy smart appliances either. Or apps to control your lights. Use light switches. You CAN still choose to be private in your home. Regarding the drone example, even if technically legal, I seriously doubt a person parking their drone like that would get away with it for long. It would be a scandal. "Local man parks his camera drone over people's houses! Insists it's legal!"

close04 7y ago
Actually my comment was explicitly referring to both physical and virtual worlds, especially since OP's comment was mostly about the real world. I didn't mean specifically that you are inside the house when using the internet, rather that you lost your privacy no matter which channel you use. The fact that you have to choose between not using internet or mobile phone (both relatively critical in this day and age), or implicitly give a private company the right to use your (meta)data in any way they see fit is basically an admission that privacy is not enforced, it's taken away from you. In the past nobody logged all of your physical visits around the city, and certainly not at any substantial scale, so the topic never made sense even if you were crossing public space. You can't judge the present by the laws made for the past. You don't just have the right to bear a musket because that's what existed when the Constitution was written. So privacy should refer to the principle, not the actual mechanism and implementation. Drone related, things are more nuanced. The drone may be in my back yard but filming in yours no matter how tall your fence. And unlike a real person hovering around your house, a drone operator is anonymous for all intents and purposes. Unlike a real person, a drone or (hidden) cameras throughout a city can be out of sight but "remembering" everything. You don't have to get away with it for long. The fact that you can get away with it once is enough of an open door. Once here, once there, and pretty soon your phone collecting every piece of private information about you and sending it out is perfectly acceptable.

close04 7y ago

Actually my comment was explicitly referring to both physical and virtual worlds, especially since OP's comment was mostly about the real world. I didn't mean specifically that you are inside the house when using the internet, rather that you lost your privacy no matter which channel you use. The fact that you have to choose between not using internet or mobile phone (both relatively critical in this day and age), or implicitly give a private company the right to use your (meta)data in any way they see fit is basically an admission that privacy is not enforced, it's taken away from you. In the past nobody logged all of your physical visits around the city, and certainly not at any substantial scale, so the topic never made sense even if you were crossing public space. You can't judge the present by the laws made for the past. You don't just have the right to bear a musket because that's what existed when the Constitution was written. So privacy should refer to the principle, not the actual mechanism and implementation. Drone related, things are more nuanced. The drone may be in my back yard but filming in yours no matter how tall your fence. And unlike a real person hovering around your house, a drone operator is anonymous for all intents and purposes. Unlike a real person, a drone or (hidden) cameras throughout a city can be out of sight but "remembering" everything. You don't have to get away with it for long. The fact that you can get away with it once is enough of an open door. Once here, once there, and pretty soon your phone collecting every piece of private information about you and sending it out is perfectly acceptable.