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This sounds like something a politically astute developer came up with and built short-term career growth on it at Netflix while the rest of the developers at N

by cheez 7y ago

This sounds like something a politically astute developer came up with and built short-term career growth on it at Netflix while the rest of the developers at Netflix look on and say "yeah ok but that's just <FOO METHOD> drawn like a hexagaon. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS ISNT SPECIAL????" (Because of course, I created something like this more than a decade ago that is still in use)

wpietri 7y ago
The term was invented something like 15 years ago by Alistair Cockburn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(softwa...
- mpweiher 7y ago
  And the post even has a link to the wikipedia entry when it introduces the term...
- cheez 7y ago
  The originality is not really relevant. I've seen this type of thing take place before.
  - wpietri 7y ago
    It is in fact relevant to your claim that it sounds like somebody came up with it as a career advancement technique. Rather than it being part of a decades-long dialog about how to build software.
    - cheez 7y ago
      Ah, I seem to have have met the politically astute developer on HN. You might like this version better https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315
      - wpietri 7y ago
        Anything can be used for politics. But I've met Cockburn a few times. Ditto Fowler and Evans, all of whom have related work in software architecture. They are all people sincerely trying to figure out better ways to build software. By the way, making spurious accusations is very much a political technique. So bravo you.
        cheez 7y ago
        Jesus Christ, you are the reason I decided against working for FANG companies.
        wpietri 7y ago
        Me personally? Great! I'm always glad to help people stay away from large companies.
        cheez 7y ago
        On the off chance that you are genuinely seeking truth, perhaps you would like to venture an opinion on one of the following rephrasing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22569847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22569847
        wpietri 7y ago
        Sorry, what truth do you think I should be seeking here? My point was that you were needlessly (and apparently ignorantly) trash-talking a serious contribution to the long, ongoing discussion of software architecture. If you've decided to stop doing that, great.
        cheez 7y ago
        Point proven. Your political astuteness is well honed man, well done. But no one who works with you likes you, guaranteed.
invalidOrTaken 7y ago
It's the technical version of http://conjoinedtriangles.com/ http://conjoinedtriangles.com/
- jspash 7y ago
  I refreshed that page a few times to see if it was one of those dynamic business jargon generated websites!
  - rbonvall 7y ago
    It's a reference to the Silicon Valley sitcom: https://youtu.be/cB7dInljmO4?t=23 https://youtu.be/cB7dInljmO4?t=23
gitgud 7y ago
Glad I'm not the only one, looks pretty much the same as the [1] "repository pattern". Basically a simple data collection interface which abstracts the datasource's type/implementation. One of the simplest patterns... [1] https://deviq.com/repository-pattern/ https://deviq.com/repository-pattern/
- regularfry 7y ago
  There's more to it than that; repositories are a subpart of hexagonal architecture, and are used in a specific way. That being said, there's not a lot more to it than that. It's a collection of recognisable parts.
UK-Al05 7y ago
It's been around for years outside of netflix
goto11 7y ago
It is not new nor invented at Netfix (and I don't see the article suggesting that). According to Wikipedia the term was coined in 2005 by Alistair Cockburn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(softwa...
- cheez 7y ago
  I was not very clear in how I stated it. The originality of invention is unimportant. What is important is this likely politically astute developer saw an in with this and made it a thing. You've seen it often enough, I'm sure.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - goto11 7y ago
    I don't follow. This is a well-known software pattern. Where does the politics come into it?
    - cheez 7y ago
      A politically astute developer is able to take ideas and make them "important" while other developers look on and say "really"?
hinkley 7y ago
I’m old enough to remember people saying this exact thing about XP. I also recall C and C++ developers saying Java wasn’t special because you can do all of those things in C. Yeah well, “can” and “will” are two very different experiences.
- cheez 7y ago
  My comment seems to strike people with the wrong intention. I'm not making a negative judgement on politically astute developers. Being politically astute is a necessity in most high-tech places. A politically astute developer can take an idea and build a movement around it, whether or not it is their own idea for career advancement. This struck me as one of those things. I was a politically astute developer at one point, I built movements. But they were not intended for career advancement and thus had the backing of technical people more than non-technical people. Quite often I came across less technically strong, but more politically astute developers than I who were able to take weak ideas and sell them to non-technical people in decision making positions purely as a career advancement move. So politically astute is a neutral term.

by cheez 7y ago

wpietri 7y ago

The term was invented something like 15 years ago by Alistair Cockburn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(softwa...

mpweiher 7y ago
And the post even has a link to the wikipedia entry when it introduces the term...
cheez 7y ago
The originality is not really relevant. I've seen this type of thing take place before.
- wpietri 7y ago
  It is in fact relevant to your claim that it sounds like somebody came up with it as a career advancement technique. Rather than it being part of a decades-long dialog about how to build software.
  - cheez 7y ago
    Ah, I seem to have have met the politically astute developer on HN. You might like this version better https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315
    - wpietri 7y ago
      Anything can be used for politics. But I've met Cockburn a few times. Ditto Fowler and Evans, all of whom have related work in software architecture. They are all people sincerely trying to figure out better ways to build software. By the way, making spurious accusations is very much a political technique. So bravo you.
      - cheez 7y ago
        Jesus Christ, you are the reason I decided against working for FANG companies.
        wpietri 7y ago
        Me personally? Great! I'm always glad to help people stay away from large companies.
        cheez 7y ago
        On the off chance that you are genuinely seeking truth, perhaps you would like to venture an opinion on one of the following rephrasing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22566315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22569847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22569847
        wpietri 7y ago
        Sorry, what truth do you think I should be seeking here? My point was that you were needlessly (and apparently ignorantly) trash-talking a serious contribution to the long, ongoing discussion of software architecture. If you've decided to stop doing that, great.
        cheez 7y ago
        Point proven. Your political astuteness is well honed man, well done. But no one who works with you likes you, guaranteed.

invalidOrTaken 7y ago

It's the technical version of http://conjoinedtriangles.com/ http://conjoinedtriangles.com/

jspash 7y ago
I refreshed that page a few times to see if it was one of those dynamic business jargon generated websites!
- rbonvall 7y ago
  It's a reference to the Silicon Valley sitcom: https://youtu.be/cB7dInljmO4?t=23 https://youtu.be/cB7dInljmO4?t=23

gitgud 7y ago

Glad I'm not the only one, looks pretty much the same as the [1] "repository pattern". Basically a simple data collection interface which abstracts the datasource's type/implementation. One of the simplest patterns... [1] https://deviq.com/repository-pattern/ https://deviq.com/repository-pattern/

regularfry 7y ago
There's more to it than that; repositories are a subpart of hexagonal architecture, and are used in a specific way. That being said, there's not a lot more to it than that. It's a collection of recognisable parts.

UK-Al05 7y ago

It's been around for years outside of netflix

goto11 7y ago

It is not new nor invented at Netfix (and I don't see the article suggesting that). According to Wikipedia the term was coined in 2005 by Alistair Cockburn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_architecture_(softwa...

cheez 7y ago
I was not very clear in how I stated it. The originality of invention is unimportant. What is important is this likely politically astute developer saw an in with this and made it a thing. You've seen it often enough, I'm sure.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- goto11 7y ago
  I don't follow. This is a well-known software pattern. Where does the politics come into it?
  - cheez 7y ago
    A politically astute developer is able to take ideas and make them "important" while other developers look on and say "really"?

hinkley 7y ago

I’m old enough to remember people saying this exact thing about XP. I also recall C and C++ developers saying Java wasn’t special because you can do all of those things in C. Yeah well, “can” and “will” are two very different experiences.

cheez 7y ago
My comment seems to strike people with the wrong intention. I'm not making a negative judgement on politically astute developers. Being politically astute is a necessity in most high-tech places. A politically astute developer can take an idea and build a movement around it, whether or not it is their own idea for career advancement. This struck me as one of those things. I was a politically astute developer at one point, I built movements. But they were not intended for career advancement and thus had the backing of technical people more than non-technical people. Quite often I came across less technically strong, but more politically astute developers than I who were able to take weak ideas and sell them to non-technical people in decision making positions purely as a career advancement move. So politically astute is a neutral term.