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What do you propose be done instead of a travel ban?

by localhost8000 7y ago

logicchains 7y ago
A bad idea doesn't stop being a bad idea just because of the absence of alternatives.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  Suddenly everyone is an armchair president, virologist, and strategist. No, shutting down the travel from a country with an outbreak that is not contained is not a bad idea. Stop politicizing this matter and either trust your government or go to your bunker. Everyone the past week has been plain fearmongering and it's disgusting.
azernik 7y ago
1. Restrictions on internal travel 2. Isolation for those exposed or showing symptoms 3. Paid time off work for people who can't do their jobs in isolation, to make sure people report exposure and symptoms 4. Suspension of public gatherings Some of these are being done voluntarily and/or by local governments, but that's very patchy.
- localhost8000 7y ago
  I agree on all points, but are restrictions on internal travel much different from restrictions on external travel? Seems to depend on the definition of the boundaries, and I think it’s hard to quantify the relative costs of external/internal travel restrictions. So I’m not sure what we lose by also restricting “external” travel other than another level of inconvenience.
  - azernik 7y ago
    For a country the size of the US? Yes, there is a MASSIVE difference between the two. The volume of movement by air between California and, say, Colorado is massively larger than that between California and China, and one of those places currently has a COVID-19 outbreak and one does not. The distinction between the two for the sake of definitions is also very clear - whether the restrictions apply to travel that does not cross the borders of the United States. The currently-announced restrictions do not. The question isn't of restricting external traffic in addition to internal traffic; we're only limiting external traffic. We probably need to be doing a bit of both, though with less draconian limitations on internal traffic to accommodate economic realities.

What do you propose be done instead of a travel ban?

logicchains 7y ago

A bad idea doesn't stop being a bad idea just because of the absence of alternatives.

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
Suddenly everyone is an armchair president, virologist, and strategist. No, shutting down the travel from a country with an outbreak that is not contained is not a bad idea. Stop politicizing this matter and either trust your government or go to your bunker. Everyone the past week has been plain fearmongering and it's disgusting.

azernik 7y ago

1. Restrictions on internal travel 2. Isolation for those exposed or showing symptoms 3. Paid time off work for people who can't do their jobs in isolation, to make sure people report exposure and symptoms 4. Suspension of public gatherings Some of these are being done voluntarily and/or by local governments, but that's very patchy.

localhost8000 7y ago
I agree on all points, but are restrictions on internal travel much different from restrictions on external travel? Seems to depend on the definition of the boundaries, and I think it’s hard to quantify the relative costs of external/internal travel restrictions. So I’m not sure what we lose by also restricting “external” travel other than another level of inconvenience.
- azernik 7y ago
  For a country the size of the US? Yes, there is a MASSIVE difference between the two. The volume of movement by air between California and, say, Colorado is massively larger than that between California and China, and one of those places currently has a COVID-19 outbreak and one does not. The distinction between the two for the sake of definitions is also very clear - whether the restrictions apply to travel that does not cross the borders of the United States. The currently-announced restrictions do not. The question isn't of restricting external traffic in addition to internal traffic; we're only limiting external traffic. We probably need to be doing a bit of both, though with less draconian limitations on internal traffic to accommodate economic realities.