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> Ugh, USA is at the moment likely on level with Europe. Probably not true, as we don't have 1000 deaths yet. Though, give it two weeks, and we'll easily have

> Ugh, USA is at the moment likely on level with Europe. Probably not true, as we don't have 1000 deaths yet. Though, give it two weeks, and we'll easily have caught up (to where Europe is today).

toyg 7y ago
It’s more precise to say you don’t know whether you have 1000 deaths yet, as you are not testing even dead people at the same rate as elsewhere. Washington state got “lucky” by having a pretty obvious cluster that could not be brushed under the carpet, but there are likely hundreds of other pneumonia-related deaths going on right now who might well be undiagnosed covid19.
- theferalrobot 7y ago
  > but there are likely hundreds of other pneumonia-related deaths going on right now who might well be undiagnosed covid19. Let's just throw around blatant speculation, that will help. Speculation aside that is extremely unlikely to be the case for a variety of clinical reasons https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22553193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22553193
  - ebrenes 7y ago
    The estimate of how many deaths might be undiagnosed might be speculation, but it has already happened in Seattle that COVID deaths were misattributed to seasonal flu. In both cases, the death and symptoms will look identical the difference being in the underlying virus causing the issues. "In fact, officials would later discover through testing, the virus had already contributed to the deaths of two people, and it would go on to kill 20 more in the Seattle region over the following days." The US has failed to do any significant level of testing given its population, so it's understandable why many people are not confident in the official figures, especially when it becomes apparent infections have been running unchecked for weeks before testing started. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-de...
    - theferalrobot 7y ago
      >In both cases, the death and symptoms will look identical the difference being in the underlying virus causing the issues. As stated before that is absolutely false which is why those cases were caught. Will data be imperfect, yes, but that doesn't mean we should start throwing around Chinese propaganda. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/conspiracy-theorists-blame-the-us-for-coronavirus-china-is-happy-to-encourage-them/2020/03/05/50875458-5dc8-11ea-ac50-18701e14e06d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/conspiracy...

> Ugh, USA is at the moment likely on level with Europe. Probably not true, as we don't have 1000 deaths yet. Though, give it two weeks, and we'll easily have caught up (to where Europe is today).

toyg 7y ago

It’s more precise to say you don’t know whether you have 1000 deaths yet, as you are not testing even dead people at the same rate as elsewhere. Washington state got “lucky” by having a pretty obvious cluster that could not be brushed under the carpet, but there are likely hundreds of other pneumonia-related deaths going on right now who might well be undiagnosed covid19.

theferalrobot 7y ago
> but there are likely hundreds of other pneumonia-related deaths going on right now who might well be undiagnosed covid19. Let's just throw around blatant speculation, that will help. Speculation aside that is extremely unlikely to be the case for a variety of clinical reasons https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22553193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22553193
- ebrenes 7y ago
  The estimate of how many deaths might be undiagnosed might be speculation, but it has already happened in Seattle that COVID deaths were misattributed to seasonal flu. In both cases, the death and symptoms will look identical the difference being in the underlying virus causing the issues. "In fact, officials would later discover through testing, the virus had already contributed to the deaths of two people, and it would go on to kill 20 more in the Seattle region over the following days." The US has failed to do any significant level of testing given its population, so it's understandable why many people are not confident in the official figures, especially when it becomes apparent infections have been running unchecked for weeks before testing started. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-de...
  - theferalrobot 7y ago
    >In both cases, the death and symptoms will look identical the difference being in the underlying virus causing the issues. As stated before that is absolutely false which is why those cases were caught. Will data be imperfect, yes, but that doesn't mean we should start throwing around Chinese propaganda. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/conspiracy-theorists-blame-the-us-for-coronavirus-china-is-happy-to-encourage-them/2020/03/05/50875458-5dc8-11ea-ac50-18701e14e06d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/conspiracy...