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A completely SEO application is rendered to search engines. NOLOH applications know when a search engine is visiting and when it's a normal user. This is all de

by asnyder 18y ago

A completely SEO application is rendered to search engines. NOLOH applications know when a search engine is visiting and when it's a normal user. This is all described in detail in the features section.

gojomo 18y ago
So if I change my User-Agent to 'Googlebot', the links might work for me?
- asnyder 18y ago
  Yeah, it should. Also, all navigational elements could've also been made links. We chose not to, but might change that in the future. NOLOH as a platform allows you to create whatever elements you wish and have them do whatever you like. So if you wanted the navigation tabs to be links, you could easily instantiate them as such.
gojomo 18y ago
There is a risk such differential-serving will trigger search-engine 'cloaking' penalties.
- asnyder 18y ago
  The search engine gets all the content, at the same url and ip address, but in a way that's optimized for it. There's no redirects, or other cloaking methods involved.
  - gojomo 18y ago
    I've tried browsing as 'Googlebot'. The text returned is better for a crawler than nothing (or just Javascript), but isn't the sort of functional and dense link-structure that most helps site rankings. Also, the crawler-friendly URLs are different from the URLs the search engines will see reported by users' toolbars or discover on inlinks from other sites. So various link- and traffic- based contributions to rankings are likely to suffer on Noloh-style sites.
    - pross 18y ago
      There can be a dense link structure, depending on several factors. For example, NOLOH itself generates a file that keeps track of possible paths through your application. After we simply upload a newer copy of the file on the live server, NOLOH will generate more links to the search engines. Also, I'm not sure I understand what you meant by your last sentence, but links for search-engines can be used by users too.
      - gojomo 18y ago
        To explain: I browsed a few clicks in as 'Googlebot'. Rather than typical website links with many targets, and useful anchor-text, each page had only one substantive link, with minimal query-string-like anchor-text (like "section=features"). If a bot reached the URL "http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features", and then that URL appeared as a search result, and then users visited by that URL, they would then (upon navigation) find themselves at odd composite URLs like "http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features#/section=betaprogram http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features#/section=bet...". Meanwhile, if crawlers discover inlinks from other sites that users have copied and pasted, like "http://www.noloh.com/#/section=whoweare http://www.noloh.com/#/section=whoweare", a crawler will only see this as a link to the root page. Your pagerank is going to be diluted over these arbitrarily different URLs, and traffic analysis via toolbar reports is not going to boost key target pages as strongly as in an application with traditional stable URLs.
- gexla 18y ago
  OHHELLNO - JK! Couldn't help it. ;) Lots of legit sites use cloaking. I believe the penalty is a human check rather than automatic. I don't see this as deceptive because you are basically serving the same content. From webmaster guidelines... Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."

by asnyder 18y ago

gojomo 18y ago

So if I change my User-Agent to 'Googlebot', the links might work for me?

asnyder 18y ago
Yeah, it should. Also, all navigational elements could've also been made links. We chose not to, but might change that in the future. NOLOH as a platform allows you to create whatever elements you wish and have them do whatever you like. So if you wanted the navigation tabs to be links, you could easily instantiate them as such.

gojomo 18y ago

There is a risk such differential-serving will trigger search-engine 'cloaking' penalties.

asnyder 18y ago
The search engine gets all the content, at the same url and ip address, but in a way that's optimized for it. There's no redirects, or other cloaking methods involved.
- gojomo 18y ago
  I've tried browsing as 'Googlebot'. The text returned is better for a crawler than nothing (or just Javascript), but isn't the sort of functional and dense link-structure that most helps site rankings. Also, the crawler-friendly URLs are different from the URLs the search engines will see reported by users' toolbars or discover on inlinks from other sites. So various link- and traffic- based contributions to rankings are likely to suffer on Noloh-style sites.
  - pross 18y ago
    There can be a dense link structure, depending on several factors. For example, NOLOH itself generates a file that keeps track of possible paths through your application. After we simply upload a newer copy of the file on the live server, NOLOH will generate more links to the search engines. Also, I'm not sure I understand what you meant by your last sentence, but links for search-engines can be used by users too.
    - gojomo 18y ago
      To explain: I browsed a few clicks in as 'Googlebot'. Rather than typical website links with many targets, and useful anchor-text, each page had only one substantive link, with minimal query-string-like anchor-text (like "section=features"). If a bot reached the URL "http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features", and then that URL appeared as a search result, and then users visited by that URL, they would then (upon navigation) find themselves at odd composite URLs like "http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features#/section=betaprogram http://www.noloh.com/index.php?section=features#/section=bet...". Meanwhile, if crawlers discover inlinks from other sites that users have copied and pasted, like "http://www.noloh.com/#/section=whoweare http://www.noloh.com/#/section=whoweare", a crawler will only see this as a link to the root page. Your pagerank is going to be diluted over these arbitrarily different URLs, and traffic analysis via toolbar reports is not going to boost key target pages as strongly as in an application with traditional stable URLs.
gexla 18y ago
OHHELLNO - JK! Couldn't help it. ;) Lots of legit sites use cloaking. I believe the penalty is a human check rather than automatic. I don't see this as deceptive because you are basically serving the same content. From webmaster guidelines... Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."