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This scenario does not shut down grocery stores, and allows you out of the home in scheduled slots solely for the purposes of going to a grocery store or pharma
by CydeWeys 7y ago
This scenario does not shut down grocery stores, and allows you out of the home in scheduled slots solely for the purposes of going to a grocery store or pharmacy/doctor/hospital. All other trips are banned. This is what China and Italy are doing.
There is no country on Earth that is gonna lock up all its citizens indoors and starve them to death. Governments aren't that stupid.
- TallGuyShort 7y agoSo you can absolutely "stop" the spread with an absolute quarantine. I don't think you can absolutely "stop" the spread if everyone is using enough infrastructure to go register for a brand new basic income program that might work better than say, public options for healthcare, or alternately keep going to work, if they keep going to the grocery store, including any public transportation required, keep working at required services like fire, police, medical, etc. and if they keep doing any number of other essential things we're forgetting here. And were there not videos of government agents welding bars on windows and destroying food to punish quarantine breakers recently? I think you're dramatically oversimplifying how this all works.
- CydeWeys 7y agoLet me tell you how the grocery stores in Italy are operating (I have relatives there): First of all, you have to schedule a specific time slot to go shopping, to ensure that the store never gets too crowded. Secondly, you aren't allowed within two meters of anyone at any point. All of the store employees are wearing protective gear (gloves, masks, etc.). When you checkout, you push your cart up to them, they ring everything up, set it back down, and then you pack your bags yourself while they go away (to maintain a distance of two meters). They might be changing gloves with every checkout, too. I have less knowledge of China, but I think it's similar. I saw a video of a ranged thermometer being used on every person before being allowed inside. Maybe Italy is doing similar. If and only if you have a fever or a confirmed infection then are you not allowed to leave your dwelling at all (unless it's to go to a hospital); that's when you get your food delivered. With containment measures this drastic, you can definitely keep the infection rate below 1, which is all you need to stop an infection. And it's exactly these kinds of measures that need to be taken, because food is essential. You cannot have people starving to death en masse. Grocery stores are essential, and it's possible to allow grocery shipping while largely mitigating the spread of disease. Needless to say, all gatherings are banned, most stores are shut, and restaurants are to-go/delivery only (if they're even still open). And I'm not drastically over-simplifying things, unless you somehow think that "shut down almost everything except for grocery stores and healthcare" is "over-simplified". This is working in China. They are stopping the spread of the disease while simultaneously maintaining access to food and healthcare.
- vanniv 7y agoItaly is already working on doing exactly that. They've closed everything except the food stores -- most of which are running out of food with no prospects towards resupply, since roads are closed and workers aren't permitted to work at the plants that are necessary parts of the food supply chain.
- CydeWeys 7y agoWhat I heard is that roads have checkpoints on them, but aren't closed for necessary trips, which would include food transport. A solo operator of a vehicle driving food to a warehouse or grocery store isn't a big infection risk, especially with appropriate precautions being taken like social distancing, wearing masks, washing hands frequently, etc. The food production aspect though is more problematic; it can involved larger groups of people and more human contact.
- vanniv 7y agoYeah, there may be one more delivery to the typical store before the end, but without workers, warehouses will empty, and without an economy, generally everything will collapse. Economies aren't just playthings for little pieces of multicolored paper -- they're the process by which we live a life different from that of a wild animal. Life without an economy would be smelly, brutal, and short. Personally, I pray that the US won't try this idiocy, and further pray that people won't stand for it if they try.