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The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, a flu. The incompetency of the government resulted this disaster in here

The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, a flu. The incompetency of the government resulted this disaster in here. Even now when we have thousands in isolation. They are still trying to down play it. They have no idea how many people are infected, they have no idea how many possible contact s are out there spreading the virus. No matter how much they blame others, the root cause is right here in North America!

gwright 7y ago
> The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, Wrong. You are just repeating misinformation. He labeled some of the criticism a hoax, not the outbreak.
- gwright 7y ago
  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-call-the-coronavirus-a-hoax https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-ca...
- wonderwonder 7y ago
  I mean he did say it was not serious that it was just the flu and that it will soon be gone, just disappear. He also said he would have a press conference yesterday to announce major financial moves to help the economy which did not happen. He is also still insisting via his new budget that funding for the cdc be cut by 15%. He also fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. You are right though, he did not directly call it a hoax.
  - headmelted 7y ago
    But he did call it a hoax. Only later when he was called out on how stupid the comment was he back-pedalled and said their criticism was a hoax. That doesn’t make sense. They weren’t really criticising him? Or they were trying to make him think they were criticising him? The sentence doesn’t make any sense, so it’s clearly not what he meant.
    - wonderwonder 7y ago
      Don't try to give meaning to his words or understand them. That way lies madness.
    - code_duck 7y ago
      It's not even clear that his definition of hoax is. It applies to anything he doesn't like. He's basically ruining the word.
      - gwright 7y ago
        It is very clear. He uses it to refer to the unfounded conspiracy theories and accusations directed at him. What is so difficult to understand about that usage?
        code_duck 7y ago
        No, nothing that he says is very clear. The things he labels hoaxes do not correspond to what other people would call a hoax in subtle but significant ways. It doesn't seem that he understands what the word actually means.
    - gwright 7y ago
      > But he did call it a hoax. No he didn't. He characterized the criticism as a hoax. That is an entirely different thing. By perpetuating the lie that he considered the outbreak as a hoax you are adding to the problem. If you disagree, please link to some sort of news account that backs up your statement. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-re... It isn't really hard to understand what he meant either. The President's critics say all sorts of things that aren't true. He is constantly calling them out on it. He has used the term 'hoax' for a long time to refer to the misleading stories his critics tell. Doesn't mean that there aren't valid criticisms. Just means that much of the back and forth is just hot air. There is no reason to add to the madness though by spreading more misleading information.
- nl 7y ago
  The quote is: “Now, the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus," and, "One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That didn't work out too well. They couldn't do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. And this is their new hoax.” It's hard to parse that, but a reasonable interpretation is to say "this" refers to coronavirus. Notably he didn't say "criticism" at all, and referring to "politicizing" as a hoax doesn't make grammatical or logical sense (which of course doesn't mean it isn't what he meant. He said "the impeachment hoax", and he was impeached so clearly his interpretation of "hoax" is different to the normal interpretation). Either way, I wouldn't say it's misinformation.
  - odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
    Not american here, so didn't read/listen to this, but in all honesty, I would read the last part not as 'calling' the corona virus a hoax, but that democrats were using the corona virus as an attack, as they did with russia or the impeachment (not passing judgement about russia/impeachment, just I would read that as an attack on democrats and not as they calling COVID a hoax)
    - nl 7y ago
      (Not American either) My initial reading was that he meant the severity of the virus is a hoax (which goes along with his "the flu kills more people" narrative). Your reading sort of makes sense if "hoax" was a synonym for "attack". It's not, but Trump seems to use it as one, so yes I could see that could be what he meant. It's interesting, because we end up in situations like this where you can try to read into it what he meant but that really requires guessing!
      - gwright 7y ago
        Trump has been using "hoax" to refer to the false attacks on him for long before COVID-19 was a thing.
        nl 7y ago
- titzer 7y ago
  Approximately 0% of this discussion should be occurring right now. Presidents should not be throwing around words like this in a middle of a crisis. Period. Recognize this for what it is. This is shit leadership. This is a shit show. I don't give a crap which finely parsed definition to the word "hoax" you give. Don't defend this.
  - gwright 7y ago
    What nonsense. It isn't hard to understand what the President is saying. And the idea that there are particular words that shouldn't be used because we are in a crisis is just weird. Yes we should strive for clear communication but that doesn't happen by declaring particular words as off limits. And what exactly am I defending other than accurate reporting?
    - frankzinger 7y ago
      > It isn't hard to understand what the President is saying The problem is that the public at large will internalise the first interpretation they are presented with, whether this be their own understanding or their favourite news outlet's. Past presidents were smart enough to realise this and therefore appointed professionals (whom they listened to!) to help them craft their messaging to be as precise as possible. Trump, for some reason, has failed to learn this lesson in his first three years on the job. It is because he continues to use inprecise language that his messaging gets corrupted like this.
    - titzer 7y ago
      > It isn't hard to understand what the President is saying. The most generous interpretation of his words is that he meant it's a political attack from his political opponents. The fact that his first instinct is his own political fortunes and has to preemptly whine like a baby about it is evidence of shit leadership. The President and all leadership should be focused on the right response that minimizes loss of life, political fortunes be damned. I mean, seriously. If a sheriff's first instincts in every crisis were his reelection chances, he'd be out on his ass. But sadly, yes, here we are, arguing stupid shit, in the middle of a completely unnecessary distraction because he felt threatened and needed to lash out. So he pitted us against each other at the least opportune time. It is the one of the worst possible things to do in a crisis. Find a way to divide us!

gwright 7y ago

> The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, Wrong. You are just repeating misinformation. He labeled some of the criticism a hoax, not the outbreak.

gwright 7y ago
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-call-the-coronavirus-a-hoax https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-ca...
wonderwonder 7y ago
I mean he did say it was not serious that it was just the flu and that it will soon be gone, just disappear. He also said he would have a press conference yesterday to announce major financial moves to help the economy which did not happen. He is also still insisting via his new budget that funding for the cdc be cut by 15%. He also fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. You are right though, he did not directly call it a hoax.
- headmelted 7y ago
  But he did call it a hoax. Only later when he was called out on how stupid the comment was he back-pedalled and said their criticism was a hoax. That doesn’t make sense. They weren’t really criticising him? Or they were trying to make him think they were criticising him? The sentence doesn’t make any sense, so it’s clearly not what he meant.
  - wonderwonder 7y ago
    Don't try to give meaning to his words or understand them. That way lies madness.
  - code_duck 7y ago
    It's not even clear that his definition of hoax is. It applies to anything he doesn't like. He's basically ruining the word.
    - gwright 7y ago
      It is very clear. He uses it to refer to the unfounded conspiracy theories and accusations directed at him. What is so difficult to understand about that usage?
      - code_duck 7y ago
        No, nothing that he says is very clear. The things he labels hoaxes do not correspond to what other people would call a hoax in subtle but significant ways. It doesn't seem that he understands what the word actually means.
  - gwright 7y ago
    > But he did call it a hoax. No he didn't. He characterized the criticism as a hoax. That is an entirely different thing. By perpetuating the lie that he considered the outbreak as a hoax you are adding to the problem. If you disagree, please link to some sort of news account that backs up your statement. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-re... It isn't really hard to understand what he meant either. The President's critics say all sorts of things that aren't true. He is constantly calling them out on it. He has used the term 'hoax' for a long time to refer to the misleading stories his critics tell. Doesn't mean that there aren't valid criticisms. Just means that much of the back and forth is just hot air. There is no reason to add to the madness though by spreading more misleading information.
nl 7y ago
The quote is: “Now, the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus," and, "One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That didn't work out too well. They couldn't do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. And this is their new hoax.” It's hard to parse that, but a reasonable interpretation is to say "this" refers to coronavirus. Notably he didn't say "criticism" at all, and referring to "politicizing" as a hoax doesn't make grammatical or logical sense (which of course doesn't mean it isn't what he meant. He said "the impeachment hoax", and he was impeached so clearly his interpretation of "hoax" is different to the normal interpretation). Either way, I wouldn't say it's misinformation.
- odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
  Not american here, so didn't read/listen to this, but in all honesty, I would read the last part not as 'calling' the corona virus a hoax, but that democrats were using the corona virus as an attack, as they did with russia or the impeachment (not passing judgement about russia/impeachment, just I would read that as an attack on democrats and not as they calling COVID a hoax)
  - nl 7y ago
    (Not American either) My initial reading was that he meant the severity of the virus is a hoax (which goes along with his "the flu kills more people" narrative). Your reading sort of makes sense if "hoax" was a synonym for "attack". It's not, but Trump seems to use it as one, so yes I could see that could be what he meant. It's interesting, because we end up in situations like this where you can try to read into it what he meant but that really requires guessing!
    - gwright 7y ago
      Trump has been using "hoax" to refer to the false attacks on him for long before COVID-19 was a thing.
      - nl 7y ago
titzer 7y ago
Approximately 0% of this discussion should be occurring right now. Presidents should not be throwing around words like this in a middle of a crisis. Period. Recognize this for what it is. This is shit leadership. This is a shit show. I don't give a crap which finely parsed definition to the word "hoax" you give. Don't defend this.
- gwright 7y ago
  What nonsense. It isn't hard to understand what the President is saying. And the idea that there are particular words that shouldn't be used because we are in a crisis is just weird. Yes we should strive for clear communication but that doesn't happen by declaring particular words as off limits. And what exactly am I defending other than accurate reporting?
  - frankzinger 7y ago
    > It isn't hard to understand what the President is saying The problem is that the public at large will internalise the first interpretation they are presented with, whether this be their own understanding or their favourite news outlet's. Past presidents were smart enough to realise this and therefore appointed professionals (whom they listened to!) to help them craft their messaging to be as precise as possible. Trump, for some reason, has failed to learn this lesson in his first three years on the job. It is because he continues to use inprecise language that his messaging gets corrupted like this.
  - titzer 7y ago
    > It isn't hard to understand what the President is saying. The most generous interpretation of his words is that he meant it's a political attack from his political opponents. The fact that his first instinct is his own political fortunes and has to preemptly whine like a baby about it is evidence of shit leadership. The President and all leadership should be focused on the right response that minimizes loss of life, political fortunes be damned. I mean, seriously. If a sheriff's first instincts in every crisis were his reelection chances, he'd be out on his ass. But sadly, yes, here we are, arguing stupid shit, in the middle of a completely unnecessary distraction because he felt threatened and needed to lash out. So he pitted us against each other at the least opportune time. It is the one of the worst possible things to do in a crisis. Find a way to divide us!