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If the root cause of the problem is not resolved, even we overcome this virus, then now what? What's next? If the next virus hit us again, would Chinese governm

If the root cause of the problem is not resolved, even we overcome this virus, then now what? What's next? If the next virus hit us again, would Chinese government still try to cover up the problem and stop people from speaking up? Would WHO stop down playing the problem and advice not taking actions? It's a wake up call, while it's nice to have some heartwarming help from internet, I am more concern about COVID-19 is not the worst case, it's just a test, next thing could be way worse if we only try to look away from the root problem, like all the time we did.

theseadroid 7y ago
Let's overcome this virus first? We normally don't do root cause analysis during an outage in IT do we?
- handedness 7y ago
  If the root cause of an IT outage in one place can be used to help prevent the outage from occurring elsewhere, yes. Your personal relationship to this is entirely understandable, but not a sufficient reason to not focus on root causes where they first occurred.
  - victorlin 7y ago
    Yeah, right. So now you have an outage, the cause could be, say like database is having corrupted data in it. Now, you're saying, we should not fix the corrupted data, instead, we should keep changing the front page, make many happy faces and harts there and hope the database corruption goes away automatically? It's very obvious what you are playing here, we all know Chinese propaganda very well. Now instead of looking into the root cause, we have to send out "heartwarming" (暖心) messages to the world, like all those video people forced to dance to show the world they are happy there in the big quarantine area. By doing that, make it a distraction to what people saw, the corruption of WHO and CCP. That's pretty much over, now many people in the world who pay enough attention would notice the same out-facing Chinese propaganda (大外宣) pattern appears again and again. And your post suddenly got up-voted to the first place is also very strange. We all know how many bots Chinese government is using. So in short, it's an on-going problem, they are still covering up, even for now. The western world have been looking away from this for too long time, they think that's not my problem, well, now it's our problem right now, everyone's problem, unfortunately.
    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- wonderwonder 7y ago
  I mean we can do 2 things at once. Its like when there is a mass shooting and when someone suggests gun control as a solution the other side yells that people just died and their families are grieving and this is no time to be discussing taking guns away. Then it happens again...
- gdy 7y ago
  Are you a doctor writing from ICU? Or a researcher working on the vaccine?
acoderhasnoname 7y ago
The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, a flu. The incompetency of the government resulted this disaster in here. Even now when we have thousands in isolation. They are still trying to down play it. They have no idea how many people are infected, they have no idea how many possible contact s are out there spreading the virus. No matter how much they blame others, the root cause is right here in North America!
- gwright 7y ago
  > The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, Wrong. You are just repeating misinformation. He labeled some of the criticism a hoax, not the outbreak.
  - gwright 7y ago
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-call-the-coronavirus-a-hoax https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-ca...
  - wonderwonder 7y ago
    I mean he did say it was not serious that it was just the flu and that it will soon be gone, just disappear. He also said he would have a press conference yesterday to announce major financial moves to help the economy which did not happen. He is also still insisting via his new budget that funding for the cdc be cut by 15%. He also fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. You are right though, he did not directly call it a hoax.
    - headmelted 7y ago
      But he did call it a hoax. Only later when he was called out on how stupid the comment was he back-pedalled and said their criticism was a hoax. That doesn’t make sense. They weren’t really criticising him? Or they were trying to make him think they were criticising him? The sentence doesn’t make any sense, so it’s clearly not what he meant.
beaunative 7y ago
I'm failing to see how the "root cause", as you suggested, China, of the problem can somewhat solve the problem. It always us against the virus. Last I recall, they don't take orders from any one. Not even Trump.

theseadroid 7y ago

Let's overcome this virus first? We normally don't do root cause analysis during an outage in IT do we?

handedness 7y ago
If the root cause of an IT outage in one place can be used to help prevent the outage from occurring elsewhere, yes. Your personal relationship to this is entirely understandable, but not a sufficient reason to not focus on root causes where they first occurred.
- victorlin 7y ago
  Yeah, right. So now you have an outage, the cause could be, say like database is having corrupted data in it. Now, you're saying, we should not fix the corrupted data, instead, we should keep changing the front page, make many happy faces and harts there and hope the database corruption goes away automatically? It's very obvious what you are playing here, we all know Chinese propaganda very well. Now instead of looking into the root cause, we have to send out "heartwarming" (暖心) messages to the world, like all those video people forced to dance to show the world they are happy there in the big quarantine area. By doing that, make it a distraction to what people saw, the corruption of WHO and CCP. That's pretty much over, now many people in the world who pay enough attention would notice the same out-facing Chinese propaganda (大外宣) pattern appears again and again. And your post suddenly got up-voted to the first place is also very strange. We all know how many bots Chinese government is using. So in short, it's an on-going problem, they are still covering up, even for now. The western world have been looking away from this for too long time, they think that's not my problem, well, now it's our problem right now, everyone's problem, unfortunately.
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
wonderwonder 7y ago
I mean we can do 2 things at once. Its like when there is a mass shooting and when someone suggests gun control as a solution the other side yells that people just died and their families are grieving and this is no time to be discussing taking guns away. Then it happens again...
gdy 7y ago
Are you a doctor writing from ICU? Or a researcher working on the vaccine?

acoderhasnoname 7y ago

The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, a flu. The incompetency of the government resulted this disaster in here. Even now when we have thousands in isolation. They are still trying to down play it. They have no idea how many people are infected, they have no idea how many possible contact s are out there spreading the virus. No matter how much they blame others, the root cause is right here in North America!

gwright 7y ago
> The root cause of this Outbreak in North America is we have a president call it a HOAX, Wrong. You are just repeating misinformation. He labeled some of the criticism a hoax, not the outbreak.
- gwright 7y ago
  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-call-the-coronavirus-a-hoax https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-trump-didnt-ca...
- wonderwonder 7y ago
  I mean he did say it was not serious that it was just the flu and that it will soon be gone, just disappear. He also said he would have a press conference yesterday to announce major financial moves to help the economy which did not happen. He is also still insisting via his new budget that funding for the cdc be cut by 15%. He also fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. You are right though, he did not directly call it a hoax.
  - headmelted 7y ago
    But he did call it a hoax. Only later when he was called out on how stupid the comment was he back-pedalled and said their criticism was a hoax. That doesn’t make sense. They weren’t really criticising him? Or they were trying to make him think they were criticising him? The sentence doesn’t make any sense, so it’s clearly not what he meant.

beaunative 7y ago

I'm failing to see how the "root cause", as you suggested, China, of the problem can somewhat solve the problem. It always us against the virus. Last I recall, they don't take orders from any one. Not even Trump.