That's a pretty good set of things to visualize if you want to feel defeated before you even get started. I write K for a living, and J for fun. J is WAY crazi

That's a pretty good set of things to visualize if you want to feel defeated before you even get started. I write K for a living, and J for fun. J is WAY crazier, and I learned it specifically because it was so weird and crazy. I kinda wanted to remember what it was like to be a beginner again. In all these languages, you can always fall back to doing things the "old way"... They all pretty much support structured and functional programming with loops and functions and whatnot. It's just there are lots and lots of shortcuts, and you get used to them over time. (Also for what it's worth, the communities around vector languages do tend to be pretty friendly and welcoming...)