5 ms·

This kind of Sinophobia is so unwarranted -- China has done the best to control this disease outside of maybe S. Korea.

by james-mcelwain 7y ago

marmaduke 7y ago
Suggesting the Who is partial to China is not sinophobia.
- james-mcelwain 7y ago
  It's one thing to make a political critique of the WHO, it's another to suggest "The WHO Belongs to Communist China." The YouTube channel they linked to is full of similar racist bullshit like "The West is Becoming Like China - And We Do Nothing."
  - LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
    Its not xenophobia, to resist the subversion of a totalitarian regime who goes back on there word every time and abuses its people as slaves. China has played the xenophobia card one time to many. Meanwhile - in china, they blame the foreigners for everything. Time to get a new propangda trick- this one is spend. Love the chinese people by the way, when programming there on a machine felt really welcome and met a lot of nice guys.
ameen 7y ago
Vietnam has done similarly well too. China deserves some blame for not having investigated complaints seriously and allowing it to have spread at least for a month before the alarm bells were rung.
bschwindHN 7y ago
What's Sinophobic about this?
- james-mcelwain 7y ago
  Look at the YouTube channel they linked.
  - ravar 7y ago
    People who are so "sinophobic" that they spent their best years in china, learning the language, marrying locals, and creating multiple documentaries about Chinese culture, and only left China because the recent xenophobia of China has become too much for them to continue living there.
    - fps_doug 7y ago
      I disagree. I haven't lived in China (for more than two months at a time), but traveled there multiple times, which was an eye-opening experience. I've met several foreigners living in China, some of them since before 2010. There is no raise in xenophobia according to those people. The clickbait that these two Youtubers spread on their channels creates a very, very biased picture of China, and Chinese society (to the negative). Things are blown out of proportion or presented with misleading or no context. Even when they pretend to make a positive video about China, they can't help but add a few dismissive comments here and there. All of the aforementioned people I know dislike their content, because they feel it misrepresents China as a whole. I could go on about how and why I think these two guys are toxic, but the gist of it is that I actually used to watch their channel regularly before they became full-time youtubers, which was a turning point. Over the following 6-12 months their content slowly became more clickbaity and generally negative towards China. But I guess once you depend on youtube financially, you simply make videos that get the most clicks. Their comment section slowly turned from "sometimes filled with Chinese trolls and otherwise cool people" to a cesspool of people living in their echo chamber of "murica is awesome, teh commies are evil", and obviously still a lot of Chinese trolls. Their content doesn't help to get insight into China. It helps you to strengthen the bubble you live in.
  - victorlin 7y ago
    What they say in the channel are all true, they have been traveling in China and living there for long time, they married Chinese wife. If you really look closely, you will notice that they pointed out many problems in China, which I don't think it's Sinophobia. If you point out problems in any country makes you something phobia, then there's no freedom of speech....
brrrrr1 7y ago
China has also silenced those who detected it in early stages. China should pay a dear price for doing so as that is the main reason it got out of control. Stay safe folks!
victorlin 7y ago
Sorry to say that, but Taiwan did the best to control it https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-teach-world-fighting-coronavirus-n1153826 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-t... See it yourself, not China. They hide data from the world, beat people up on street. How come that now becomes a model for the world? Taiwan is a free country, and yet they did a great job there.
- jansan 7y ago
  Taiwan has not even been permitted membership to the WHO and is excluded from WHO participation. Maybe it was Taiwan that the WHO was praising when they were talking of China.
- foobarian 7y ago
  You could be flippant and say that China IS Taiwan ;)
- gentleman11 7y ago
  Can’t read without enabling trackers/fingerprinting
president 7y ago
I think most people can agree that no one country has done a stellar job (including the US) to contain and mitigate the virus but given that China was the first to be hit, it gets a larger share of the blame for letting it spread to the rest of the world. If you look at the timeline of the events that transpired in China since December [1], it shows a clear pattern of ignorance and favoring politics over public health. You know things have gone completely wrong when you decide to arrest doctors that have called out the disease. Anybody that says "China has done the best to control this disease" is either a CCP shill or massively uninformed or misled by propaganda. Remember, the only news we get out of China comes from state-sanctioned media. [1] https://wuhanmemo.com/?page_id=230929 https://wuhanmemo.com/?page_id=230929
- robocat 7y ago
  > no one country has done a stellar job Taiwan have done a stellar job. Pre-prepared, acted quickly (starting on 31st of Dec), and have got the results to show they were doing it right. For more information, see: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689 Edit: This also shows up the lie that China’s suppression of information was the critical factor in delaying everyone’s actions: Taiwan had the information and acted, it is just that other countries chose not to act on the information they had. Li Wenliang (one of the whistleblower doctors) on 30 December he “sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection. Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter.”
  - guerrilla 7y ago
    Hows South Korea doing? I saw they did a lot of tests compared to the rest of us.
    - csnover 7y ago
      They seem to be getting things under control. [0] [0] https://mackuba.eu/corona/#south_korea https://mackuba.eu/corona/#south_korea
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]

This kind of Sinophobia is so unwarranted -- China has done the best to control this disease outside of maybe S. Korea.

marmaduke 7y ago

Suggesting the Who is partial to China is not sinophobia.

james-mcelwain 7y ago
It's one thing to make a political critique of the WHO, it's another to suggest "The WHO Belongs to Communist China." The YouTube channel they linked to is full of similar racist bullshit like "The West is Becoming Like China - And We Do Nothing."
- LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
  Its not xenophobia, to resist the subversion of a totalitarian regime who goes back on there word every time and abuses its people as slaves. China has played the xenophobia card one time to many. Meanwhile - in china, they blame the foreigners for everything. Time to get a new propangda trick- this one is spend. Love the chinese people by the way, when programming there on a machine felt really welcome and met a lot of nice guys.

ameen 7y ago

Vietnam has done similarly well too. China deserves some blame for not having investigated complaints seriously and allowing it to have spread at least for a month before the alarm bells were rung.

bschwindHN 7y ago

What's Sinophobic about this?

james-mcelwain 7y ago
Look at the YouTube channel they linked.
- ravar 7y ago
  People who are so "sinophobic" that they spent their best years in china, learning the language, marrying locals, and creating multiple documentaries about Chinese culture, and only left China because the recent xenophobia of China has become too much for them to continue living there.
  - fps_doug 7y ago
    I disagree. I haven't lived in China (for more than two months at a time), but traveled there multiple times, which was an eye-opening experience. I've met several foreigners living in China, some of them since before 2010. There is no raise in xenophobia according to those people. The clickbait that these two Youtubers spread on their channels creates a very, very biased picture of China, and Chinese society (to the negative). Things are blown out of proportion or presented with misleading or no context. Even when they pretend to make a positive video about China, they can't help but add a few dismissive comments here and there. All of the aforementioned people I know dislike their content, because they feel it misrepresents China as a whole. I could go on about how and why I think these two guys are toxic, but the gist of it is that I actually used to watch their channel regularly before they became full-time youtubers, which was a turning point. Over the following 6-12 months their content slowly became more clickbaity and generally negative towards China. But I guess once you depend on youtube financially, you simply make videos that get the most clicks. Their comment section slowly turned from "sometimes filled with Chinese trolls and otherwise cool people" to a cesspool of people living in their echo chamber of "murica is awesome, teh commies are evil", and obviously still a lot of Chinese trolls. Their content doesn't help to get insight into China. It helps you to strengthen the bubble you live in.
- victorlin 7y ago
  What they say in the channel are all true, they have been traveling in China and living there for long time, they married Chinese wife. If you really look closely, you will notice that they pointed out many problems in China, which I don't think it's Sinophobia. If you point out problems in any country makes you something phobia, then there's no freedom of speech....

brrrrr1 7y ago

China has also silenced those who detected it in early stages. China should pay a dear price for doing so as that is the main reason it got out of control. Stay safe folks!

victorlin 7y ago

Sorry to say that, but Taiwan did the best to control it https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-teach-world-fighting-coronavirus-n1153826 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-t... See it yourself, not China. They hide data from the world, beat people up on street. How come that now becomes a model for the world? Taiwan is a free country, and yet they did a great job there.

jansan 7y ago
Taiwan has not even been permitted membership to the WHO and is excluded from WHO participation. Maybe it was Taiwan that the WHO was praising when they were talking of China.
foobarian 7y ago
You could be flippant and say that China IS Taiwan ;)
gentleman11 7y ago
Can’t read without enabling trackers/fingerprinting

president 7y ago

I think most people can agree that no one country has done a stellar job (including the US) to contain and mitigate the virus but given that China was the first to be hit, it gets a larger share of the blame for letting it spread to the rest of the world. If you look at the timeline of the events that transpired in China since December [1], it shows a clear pattern of ignorance and favoring politics over public health. You know things have gone completely wrong when you decide to arrest doctors that have called out the disease. Anybody that says "China has done the best to control this disease" is either a CCP shill or massively uninformed or misled by propaganda. Remember, the only news we get out of China comes from state-sanctioned media. [1] https://wuhanmemo.com/?page_id=230929 https://wuhanmemo.com/?page_id=230929

robocat 7y ago
> no one country has done a stellar job Taiwan have done a stellar job. Pre-prepared, acted quickly (starting on 31st of Dec), and have got the results to show they were doing it right. For more information, see: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689 Edit: This also shows up the lie that China’s suppression of information was the critical factor in delaying everyone’s actions: Taiwan had the information and acted, it is just that other countries chose not to act on the information they had. Li Wenliang (one of the whistleblower doctors) on 30 December he “sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection. Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter.”
- guerrilla 7y ago
  Hows South Korea doing? I saw they did a lot of tests compared to the rest of us.
  - csnover 7y ago
    They seem to be getting things under control. [0] [0] https://mackuba.eu/corona/#south_korea https://mackuba.eu/corona/#south_korea

deleted 7y ago

[deleted]