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Even though I rationally know it’s the right thing to do, I’m terrified about my daughter’s school closing and her and other students severely falling behind ac
by finaliteration 7y ago
Even though I rationally know it’s the right thing to do, I’m terrified about my daughter’s school closing and her and other students severely falling behind academically. I can work from home and watch her, but my spouse and I are not AT ALL equipped to home school her for a lengthy period of time. She is not a good self-learner and already struggles in some areas.
How should we be preparing for that? How are other people doing it who have to keep their children home and away from educational resources and teachers?
Edit: I’m getting mixed reactions to this. I’m not at all saying academics are more important than slowing the spread of the virus. But I see many comments calling for a complete shutdown of schools and very few saying that for many parents this is a legitimate source of hardship and anxiety, even if it’s the right thing to do.
- ZeroCool2u 7y agoI'm not a parent, but I had a period of time, about a month, when my Mom had to teach me, because I couldn't attend school. What worked well for us was structuring and scheduling time. What didn't work well was her winging it with the curriculum. I think if we went through that time again and I was in her shoes, I would take advantage of Khan Academy. Especially for Math, it's incredibly well structured and forces you to convince it that you've truly learned the content with built-in quizzes. It doesn't hold you back if you've got a handle on the lessons and makes sure that if you're having issues that you practice until you've really got it down. I think the most work for you will be setting her up properly, making sure she's comfortable with the system, and being available if she's got questions that it's not quickly answering.
- jethro_tell 7y agoThis is what I'm working on now, I'm trying to set up 'classes' for my second grader with math, reading, writing, typing, and programing. She has music and art at school and I can't really teach that but I may look into a little more. I'm not too worried about her falling behind, but I do want to make sure it's not just idle time, I assume I'll have to do some WFH though I don't really expect to hit full time with it.
- dickjocke 7y agoI don't mean to be glib, but isn't this a good opportunity for her to learn those skills? I wasn't a good self-learner until I was in AP Bio and the teacher was very incompetent and I had to just face down the book. That groundwork helped me so much as a freshman in college where there were lots of kids who had always had awesome, attentive teachers. Especially if you are there with her! I love Khan Academy, and the cool thing about youtube is there are so many content creators that there will be someone your daughter thinks has a nice voice or is easy to understand or funny.
- finaliteration 7y ago> but isn't this a good opportunity for her to learn those skills? I think that’s a fair question, and I’d love to be optimistic about her ability to hunker down and build those skills. But, she has some behavioral challenges and just getting her to do homework is a nightly struggle consisting of meltdowns and arguments, so I’m not as hopeful that she’ll be able to do it. She’s a bright kid, but definitely one who -needs- the structure of a classroom to be successful.
- MengerSponge 7y agoYouTube videos are great for some resources, but they aren't a substitute for a competent teacher. Fun thing to think about: there are videos that measurably improve students' performance on a task, but students rate those videos as "confusing" and "not helpful". The videos that students do like? They have zero effect. https://teachingcommons.stanford.edu/teaching-talk/when-confusing-lecture-better-clear-lecture https://teachingcommons.stanford.edu/teaching-talk/when-conf...
- vsareto 7y agoI don't have kids but there's lots of Khan academy and legit youtube stuff (3blue1brown) that can be used to learn things, even if they don't get credit for the classes. I don't know how to turn non-self-learners into self-learners though. And admittedly if I was a kid during this, I'd be playing as much video games as possible. Hopefully most teachers have a clue and will realize this was some pretty serious circumstances and not be as harsh and do more review.
- londons_explore 7y agoAs a parent, if you have the energy & time, a good approach can be to: * Boast how easy school is these days. * Wait to get told you're wrong. * Propose a competition. Your child can pick any subject that neither of you have studied yet, and then have a race over 24 hours, 1 week, etc. to learn the material and do a multi-choice test you both agree on first. Your child will obviously pick a subject they're good at, and you'll probably loose. But you still made them choose to study really hard.
- Blahah 7y agoHonestly this is the last thing I'd be worrying about. A child can skip 6 months to a year of school and have almost no negative effects on their life outcomes. If they get sick and die, or their close family members do, they will definitely have negative effects on their outcomes. There are tons of resources and communities for homeschooling on the internet. Happy to help point you to stuff if needed, but please prioritise health over potential educational slowdown.
- mochomocha 7y ago> A child can skip 6 months to a year of school and have almost no negative effects on their life outcomes. Citation needed.
- loup-vaillant 7y agoA proper justification, such as a closed school, would explain the delay in the child's education, and likely negate most (all?), negative reactions people might have about the resulting delay. Citation may be needed in general, but here… that's sounds like a reasonable guess.
- Twixes 7y agoIn most cases personal problems are the reason why children/young people skip school, not the result – that's why skipping school sounds problematic. But there are cases when it's entirely justified and it's entirely manageable then – surely an epidemic is one such case.
- ksdale 7y agoIf you had a random six months of your education removed from your memory, how long would it take you to relearn it? If it was prior to high school, would you even bother relearning it? How important is any particular six months of your education to your ability to do your current job? Missing 6 months of school isn't ideal, but I think we tend to overestimate the importance of hitting every nail on the head when it comes to education. Not to mention the fact that if most children in the US miss 6 months of school, they will have that as an excuse when they start sending out resumes in however many years.
- earthtourist 7y agoI hope my kids school closes, and I'm happy to make a commitment to spending a lot of extra time helping them make up the lost progress. My plan is to let them enjoy the time off, for the most part, and then spend the next n months on reduced entertainment in favor of extra studying. Seems a small price to pay given how many lives will be saved by closing schools. Edit: one concern I heard is that health care workers need schools to take care of their children. Why not start by letting anyone that can take their child home, take their child home. This would reduce the risk for the children that stay in school by a lot, which will help health care workers not get sick. Because currently I'd risk punishment for taking my child out of school "unexcused". Which seems like some seriously backwards bs.
- rogerkirkness 7y agoSchool is daycare, you barely learn things. Your kid will be fine. I was unschooled, did no formal education, am fine...
- citiguy 7y agoAgreed. My son missed 2 months of 4th grade a couple years ago and when he went back it was like he hadn't missed a day.
- londons_explore 7y agoI expect your school will have prepared materials for such an eventuality. Your daughter should be given long youtube playlists of online lessons, homework assignments, scheduled interactive video lessons, etc. As a parent, all you really need to do is check your daughter is actually doing what the school is providing. The threat of detention doesn't work so well at home when you can just claim the internet broke and that's why you haven't showed up to an online lesson or submitted an assignment...
- blackoil 7y ago"falling behind academically" makes sense only if she alone is taking a leave. If whole school is closed then she is keeping with the school. In a 70 year lifetime, taking at worse 3 months of holidays won't affect anyone in life. She'll have a more severe scar if she infects anyone who struggles for life. With internet and access to online courses find something that helps her self study and improve upon the existing knowledge/skills. Follow the instructions from school.
- dcolkitt 7y ago> I’m terrified about my daughter’s school closing and her and other students severely falling behind academically I wouldn't worry too much. The evidence from prior natural experiments show that unexpected interrupted school years[1] has no persistent effects into adulthood. [1]http://econ.lse.ac.uk/staff/spischke/ksj_EJ_final.pdf http://econ.lse.ac.uk/staff/spischke/ksj_EJ_final.pdf
- mochomocha 7y agoI don't think that's what this paper is about though: "This paper investigates how changing the length of the school year, leaving the basic curriculum unchanged, affects learning and subsequent earnings" In-person curriculum != online curriculum (social interactions, lab classes, PE...) Short school year != Interrupted school year
- SubiculumCode 7y agoJust have them read books and limit TV watching while home.
- pingyong 7y agoIf she's not in high school I wouldn't worry too much. I essentially missed half of third grade, all of 4th and 5th grade and half of 6th grade, and by 8th-90th grade I was pretty much caught up completely without even a real catch up program. A lot of the stuff your learn at that age simply becomes trivial or at least much much easier just from getting older. In that case, I'd just give her some puzzles to solve or something. If she is in high school the only answer is probably a bunch of "homework", good books on the subject, and there are also hundreds of video courses online.
- alistairSH 7y agoand by 8th-90th grade I was pretty much caught up So it only took you about 80 years to catch up? ;)
- detaro 7y ago"Falling behind" what? Even if she and her peers have to repeat a school year because classes don't happen for a long time, which would be quite extreme, what would be the issue with that?
- swasheck 7y agoExactly. Summer break? Spring Break? Winter Break? I'm somewhat perplexed by OP sentiment.
- matlin 7y agoIt actually might not be the right thing to do for the reason you mentioned but also, for the families that can't work from home, it becomes a huge economic burden to have their kids not in school. It's obviously a necessary step to contain a deadly pandemic but I think, in this particular case, children are actually in the lowest risk pool. Kids seem to survive the virus at near the highest rate but also contract the virus near the lowest rate so closing schools might be an unnecessary burden on working parents with marginal effect on containment.
- papito 7y agoShe will probably benefit more from a few weeks of being a child, and being worry-free. School was the most stressful time of my life. Tests and exams always hang over your head. Pop quizzes, mid-terms, finals. There is literally NEVER a peace of mind.
- recursive 7y agoDifferent people experience differently. Tests were always less stressful for me than non-test days. On a non-test day, there would be a non-zero chance I forgot/didn't know to do homework that was due. But homework was never due when there was a test.
- TheFiend7 7y agoThis is so culturally unhealthy IMO and it's why America and similar academic oriented countries work work work until they die. It's like 1 year of being off course people act like their lives are going to end.
- dbcurtis 7y ago> How should we be preparing for that? Step 1: Chill. We home-schooled from preschool through high-school. Today I am trying to figure out how to help (from the opposite coast) my MIT senior deal with getting kicked out of their dorm in a few days. Home-schooling can work just fine. Chill. 1. Remember that of things that can be measured, the thing most highly correlated with academic success is parental involvement. So no matter how wonky your pedagogy, you will be involved. Hopefully that factoid helps you chill. 2. My first piece of advice to all new home-schooling parents is: Don't try to do everything at once. Get one subject working well, when you have established momentum and routine on that, add another. Cook until done. 3. There are many great online resources now. But I suspect your school is going to be providing curriculum information so you may have a usable starter kit. 4. As to the "self-learner" issues, all that does is help you find your happy place on the home schooling spectrum. At one end you have "school at home" -- trying to replicate the school environment in your dining room. There is also "unschooling" -- completely self-directed learning. This may not work for you. This may be a good chance to help your child develop some self-learning instincts. (unschooling in my definition is: "You can work on what you want, but you MUST work on something." Which is NOT what I call "raised by wolves" -- a home schooling philosophy that I have seen occasionally, but doesn't often yield a good result.)
- jennyyang 7y agoI'm in a similar boat as you. Most school districts may start doing things like video instruction or give parents a curriculum to work on, I'm not worried about that aspect. It may become an entirely remote education for the rest of this school year across the world. I'm considering taking leave of absence and teaching him the curriculum. The problem is I'm not a good teacher, I know this about myself. It's impossible to WFH and take care of a child. So your productivity will suffer, hopefully your company understands this, but then again everyone will be in the same boat once the school districts start closing things down.
- clairity 7y agorather than becoming immobilized, panicked, and/or irrational, fear should be a trigger for a learn-plan-do cycle, which you've apparently started (learning what's possible to do about the situation). however, it's important not to spread irrational fear, which words like "terrified" tend to do, particularly when overblown. the state of being "terrified" leads to immobilization, panic, and irrationality, so it should literally be avoided like the plague. on the other hand, being concerned and worried, and acknowledging (unhelpful) anxiety, is reasonable. asking for help and information, like you did, is reasonable. discerning and acknowledging the appropriate level of risk (probably worse than a regular flu but not nearly as bad as the 1918 flu) is reasonable. with that said, children are constantly learning whether you teach them or not. it's ok if learning is not entirely linear. the world is not linear, and our brains are not either. what's needed will get in there eventually, and we're resilient enough to compensate for nearly any kind of deficiency anyways. (the same case can be made for overly worrying about "getting into good school districts", something worth considering a little bit, but not a lot, and a commonly-cited driver of localized real estate bubbles)
- finaliteration 7y ago> however, it's important not to spread irrational fear, which words like "terrified" tend to do, particularly when overblown. the state of being "terrified" leads to immobilization, panic, and irrationality, so it should literally be avoided like the plague. Very good point. Thank you for calling it out. I am not at all intending to spread irrational fear and realize I should have chosen my word there a bit more carefully. I am definitely anxious about it, but that anxiety is driving a desire to figure out a plan and not causing paralysis on my part, which I agree is what the word "terrified" implies.
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- anonAndOn 7y agoI expect many schools may close for a few weeks. How do kids that get stuck at home during blizzards and hurricanes manage? Do what they do.
- bluGill 7y agoThis isn't unusual for schools. Last year my kid had so many days off school for bad weather that he had to go an extra week at the end of the year. Maybe your July plans will be messed up because your kid is still in school, but otherwise the school will give your kid enough school. There is some worry if your kid is hospitalized for a month while the rest of the school goes on (presumably this means containment worked well except for your kid), but even here schools have to deal with kids who are out for months for medical reasons and they provide extra tutoring to catch those kids up. (I'm familiar with this because my cousin missed a month of school his senior year - he still graduated with his class even though he had to go back the next year to finish some classes)
- sequoia 7y agohttps://outschool.com https://outschool.com <- Fantastic, paid https://www.khanacademy.org https://www.khanacademy.org <- requires a bit more self-direction but quite good. Homeschooling is not rocket science. I've done it for years and I barely know what I'm doing. Just make resources available, sign up for a couple out school classes, and be willing to help them pursue stuff when they're interested in it. You can do it!