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Followed promptly by the rubber hose, because technical tricks are not a solution to jack-booted thugs.

derefr 7y ago
I mean, they are in the case where the trick applies equally to everybody and there’s no single person who can be rubber-hosed to put a stop to it. (Cloudflare wouldn’t be an example of this, but IPFS would.) Secret-ballot elections are a good, clear example of a “technical trick” that works out for real political effects. You can’t rubber-hose people into voting for you, if you can’t know where to spend your resources; and you can’t know where to spend your resources, if you can’t spy on the polls. So every individual poll just needs to choose to set up the “technology” of secret ballots (voting screens, ballot boxes, separate sign-in and vote steps, etc.) and, in aggregate, your attempt at manipulation will be stymied. And you can’t just shut down the people who make (voting screens, ballot boxes, clipboards and lists, etc.) because all those things are easy DIY projects with no monopolist producer†. † This is an under-reported reason why we shouldn’t be using voting machines. They put us in the precarious situation where there’s a centralized supply-side to secret-ballot elections, that could be choked off by a nascent dictator.
- yyyk 7y ago
  "Secret-ballot elections are a good, clear example of a “technical trick” that works out for real political effects. You can’t rubber-hose people into voting for you.." That's an easy one to solve with a rubber hose and a bit of politics: Get people to approve vote-by-mail. Just scream at any opponent that he's suppressing votes and don't mention any reasonable non-mail related alternative solutions to that. Once there's sufficient voting by mail (make ballot access difficult if it's not popular enough), you can directly apply all the things you mention by controlling USPS.

I mean, they are in the case where the trick applies equally to everybody and there’s no single person who can be rubber-hosed to put a stop to it. (Cloudflare wouldn’t be an example of this, but IPFS would.) Secret-ballot elections are a good, clear example of a “technical trick” that works out for real political effects. You can’t rubber-hose people into voting for you, if you can’t know where to spend your resources; and you can’t know where to spend your resources, if you can’t spy on the polls. So every individual poll just needs to choose to set up the “technology” of secret ballots (voting screens, ballot boxes, separate sign-in and vote steps, etc.) and, in aggregate, your attempt at manipulation will be stymied. And you can’t just shut down the people who make (voting screens, ballot boxes, clipboards and lists, etc.) because all those things are easy DIY projects with no monopolist producer†. † This is an under-reported reason why we shouldn’t be using voting machines. They put us in the precarious situation where there’s a centralized supply-side to secret-ballot elections, that could be choked off by a nascent dictator.

yyyk 7y ago
"Secret-ballot elections are a good, clear example of a “technical trick” that works out for real political effects. You can’t rubber-hose people into voting for you.." That's an easy one to solve with a rubber hose and a bit of politics: Get people to approve vote-by-mail. Just scream at any opponent that he's suppressing votes and don't mention any reasonable non-mail related alternative solutions to that. Once there's sufficient voting by mail (make ballot access difficult if it's not popular enough), you can directly apply all the things you mention by controlling USPS.