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I've been wondering if it would be possible to create an Internet movement large enough to impact Oracle's bottom line. Encourage employees and managers to imme

I've been wondering if it would be possible to create an Internet movement large enough to impact Oracle's bottom line. Encourage employees and managers to immediately drop their business with Oracle, both as customers and as vendors. Encourage Oracle employees to quit and find more ethical places to work. Oracle has crossed a line here, and I wonder if we can kill that beast before they kill us. Or at least take them down with us.

bpizzi 7y ago
This has already beginning to happen. Almost all of $work's customers (industrial plants, all sizes) have Buying Guidelines that forbids a new solution to be bought if it needs an Oracle database.
rbanffy 7y ago
> if it would be possible to create an Internet movement large enough to impact Oracle's bottom line We did that. That's why they bought and tried to kill MySQL.
- philjohn 7y ago
  Which was amusing as Postgres is by most measures the better system (yes, I know streaming replication wasn't easy on earlier versions and that was a definite plus for MySQL). Amazon had a celebration when they turned off their last Oracle system ...
imglorp 7y ago
> drop their business I doubt it. Oracle has done a great job dissuading new business by suing customers for discussing benchmarks, suing customers for discussing security, auditing customers, jacking up prices, jacking up penalties, suing everyone else, etc... Plenty of reasons to drop already. Everyone left stays because they're in deep and migration would be worse.
- coldpie 7y ago
  > Oracle has done a great job dissuading new business by suing customers for discussing benchmarks, suing customers for discussing security, auditing customers, jacking up prices, jacking up penalties, suing everyone else, etc... Do you have some sources, or specific instances I could do my own searching for? Feel free to email me privately. I'm somewhat serious about trying to kill Oracle in retaliation for what they've done here.
  - imglorp 7y ago
    Sure. Threatening benchmarkers: * https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2018/05/the-dewitt-clause-why-you-rarely-see-database-benchmarks/ * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886333 Buy competitors then switch terms on unwitting customers: * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/22/oracle_shoddy_service_license_denials_aimed_to_force_adoption_of_cloud_service_lawsuit_claims/ * https://outline.com/YUFYFK Threatening security researchers: * https://boingboing.net/2015/08/11/oracles-cso-demands-an-end-t.html Oh yeah they sue employees too: * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/26/oracle_sues_employee_undo_arbitration_loss/ There's also something that bit me personally, probably in the fine print somewhere. If you drop support, you have to pay 3x to get back into it. Something like "treble fees".

bpizzi 7y ago

This has already beginning to happen. Almost all of $work's customers (industrial plants, all sizes) have Buying Guidelines that forbids a new solution to be bought if it needs an Oracle database.

rbanffy 7y ago

> if it would be possible to create an Internet movement large enough to impact Oracle's bottom line We did that. That's why they bought and tried to kill MySQL.

philjohn 7y ago
Which was amusing as Postgres is by most measures the better system (yes, I know streaming replication wasn't easy on earlier versions and that was a definite plus for MySQL). Amazon had a celebration when they turned off their last Oracle system ...

imglorp 7y ago

> drop their business I doubt it. Oracle has done a great job dissuading new business by suing customers for discussing benchmarks, suing customers for discussing security, auditing customers, jacking up prices, jacking up penalties, suing everyone else, etc... Plenty of reasons to drop already. Everyone left stays because they're in deep and migration would be worse.

coldpie 7y ago
> Oracle has done a great job dissuading new business by suing customers for discussing benchmarks, suing customers for discussing security, auditing customers, jacking up prices, jacking up penalties, suing everyone else, etc... Do you have some sources, or specific instances I could do my own searching for? Feel free to email me privately. I'm somewhat serious about trying to kill Oracle in retaliation for what they've done here.
- imglorp 7y ago
  Sure. Threatening benchmarkers: * https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2018/05/the-dewitt-clause-why-you-rarely-see-database-benchmarks/ * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886333 Buy competitors then switch terms on unwitting customers: * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/22/oracle_shoddy_service_license_denials_aimed_to_force_adoption_of_cloud_service_lawsuit_claims/ * https://outline.com/YUFYFK Threatening security researchers: * https://boingboing.net/2015/08/11/oracles-cso-demands-an-end-t.html Oh yeah they sue employees too: * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/26/oracle_sues_employee_undo_arbitration_loss/ There's also something that bit me personally, probably in the fine print somewhere. If you drop support, you have to pay 3x to get back into it. Something like "treble fees".