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For as long as I can recall, visusscanners are malware itself.
by jbverschoor 7y ago
For as long as I can recall, visusscanners are malware itself.
- codegladiator 7y agoAnti-virus softwares are the Anti-vaxers of digital world. Falsely believing they are in the correct group and benefiting the society.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoAntivirus software today exists only so that tech support scammers can install something on their victims' computers, and then point to it to prove they were not scamming anyone.
- 411111111111111 7y agoHasn't always been like that however. I think it's only became like that after the built-in malware detection of Windows 10 became good enough so the antivirus ventors started adding "features" to make themselves stand out and look good on Enterprise comparison charts. Thinking back on the Windows XP days... You'd be in actual danger if you didn't use one.
- jeltz 7y agoSure, while they actually caught malware back in the XP days, they were also still malware and some probably spied on their customers even back then. So back then it was about picking your poison.
- mcv 7y agoIf spying on your customers is malware (I think it counts), then Windows 10 itself is malware.
- zentiggr 7y agoNot disagreeing in the slightest. My home laptop (Inspiron touchscreen model) will be on Ubuntu when the HDD gets replaced, with little regret.
- falcor84 7y agoI'm a fan of Ubuntu too, but you should note that they don't have a perfect reputation here either- https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html
- zentiggr 7y agoI do remember that, and I admit I haven't researched current distributions yet, so I'm a few years out of date.
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- rainforest 7y agoWindows Defender also had the same defect [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/windows-defender-nscript-remote-vulnerability/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/windo...
- butler14 7y agois ESET (nod32) still legit? that's the only one I've tended to trust
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- zxcmx 7y agoNo :( It never really has been https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=Eset https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=Eset But from way back it's been RCE prone: https://support.eset.com/en/news325-eset-customer-advisory-vulnerabilities-in-scanning-and-emulation-repaired https://support.eset.com/en/news325-eset-customer-advisory-v...
- Goz3rr 7y agoWhat exactly does a short list of CVEs prove? Is there any mainstream software that doesn't have at least a few published?
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- zxcmx 7y agoESET has had high severity CVEs in a security product, including SYSTEM RCE and kernel RCE. Agree that 90% of CVE's are meaningless but unless they've done a lot of sandboxing work in the meantime (guessing not, and up to them to show that) it's hard to trust. Given the CVEs published, do you feel confident that if the product were robustly fuzzed / reversed+ tomorrow that there wouldn't be low hanging RCE? How safe do you feel running Windows with that product versus without? Personally I trust Microsoft's engineering / SDLC more than ESETs, maybe just me.
- whatsmyusername 7y agoWindows Defender works reasonably well. Symantec broke Chrome on multiple machines for me.
- ubercow13 7y agoWindows Defender had exactly the same design, with a similar bug [1] >The Google researchers found that MsMpEngine contains a component called NScript that analyses any filesystem or network activity that looks like JavaScript. NScript isn't sandboxed and runs at a very high privilege level, and it's used to evaluate untrusted code by default on almost every modern Windows system Every antivirus is bad. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/windows-defender-nscript-remote-vulnerability/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/windo...