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You need to prefix "applications" with "web" or "cloud."

by unlinked_dll 7y ago

zokier 7y ago
Flatpaks and snaps, while maybe not as popular, are also containers
- unlinked_dll 7y ago
  They're also pretty terrible ways to distribute a native application and can be crippled due to their containerization.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  Unfortunately, they're over-complicated as a means of application packaging and distribution, at least in my opinion. Now AppImage, that's pretty great. It doesn't really bring any of the security benefits of containerization, but that can be tacked on separately.
akvadrako 7y ago
Desktop and mobile is actually where you want containers most. Servers rarely run untrusted or semi-trusted code because everything comes from a trusted source, usually open source, or in house. But users want to run lots of shady apps, either that they find on random websites or places like the Google Play store.
- alkonaut 7y ago
  It's also the rare case where you can't accept a 5% performance hit because that's 5fps in a game or 5 seconds on a 100 second render time or 5ms instead of 95ms wait in an interactive app. I find that the key to running desktop OS/apps is never use sensitive data and always be ready to wipe your machine and start over.
  - akvadrako 7y ago
    Containers don't have a 5% performance hit.
    - alkonaut 7y ago
      That sounds good but I’ll believe it when I see it. There aren’t many desktop container/sandbox implementations out there and most are “vm light” e.g the windows sandbox and sandboxie. I haven’t seen anything more lightweight that can run desktop apps (in Windows at least).
      - akvadrako 7y ago
        Windows store apps are one example.
        alkonaut 7y ago
        Not sure if that changed since its inception but originally windows store was exactly this: no SLI/Crossfire, v-sync always on, no overlays. Basically it was isolated from using the driver properly.
antonvs 7y ago
Unless you want to roll the traditional telecom industry under the "web" or "cloud" label, you have to add "telecom" to the list as well. Containers have been gaining ground in telecoms since at least 2015 (https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/analysis/telecom-opens-up-to-containers/2015/10/ https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/analysis/telecom-opens-u...). Network function virtualization solutions rely increasingly on containers.

You need to prefix "applications" with "web" or "cloud."

zokier 7y ago

Flatpaks and snaps, while maybe not as popular, are also containers

unlinked_dll 7y ago
They're also pretty terrible ways to distribute a native application and can be crippled due to their containerization.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
Unfortunately, they're over-complicated as a means of application packaging and distribution, at least in my opinion. Now AppImage, that's pretty great. It doesn't really bring any of the security benefits of containerization, but that can be tacked on separately.

akvadrako 7y ago

Desktop and mobile is actually where you want containers most. Servers rarely run untrusted or semi-trusted code because everything comes from a trusted source, usually open source, or in house. But users want to run lots of shady apps, either that they find on random websites or places like the Google Play store.

alkonaut 7y ago
It's also the rare case where you can't accept a 5% performance hit because that's 5fps in a game or 5 seconds on a 100 second render time or 5ms instead of 95ms wait in an interactive app. I find that the key to running desktop OS/apps is never use sensitive data and always be ready to wipe your machine and start over.
- akvadrako 7y ago
  Containers don't have a 5% performance hit.
  - alkonaut 7y ago
    That sounds good but I’ll believe it when I see it. There aren’t many desktop container/sandbox implementations out there and most are “vm light” e.g the windows sandbox and sandboxie. I haven’t seen anything more lightweight that can run desktop apps (in Windows at least).
    - akvadrako 7y ago
      Windows store apps are one example.
      - alkonaut 7y ago
        Not sure if that changed since its inception but originally windows store was exactly this: no SLI/Crossfire, v-sync always on, no overlays. Basically it was isolated from using the driver properly.

antonvs 7y ago

Unless you want to roll the traditional telecom industry under the "web" or "cloud" label, you have to add "telecom" to the list as well. Containers have been gaining ground in telecoms since at least 2015 (https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/analysis/telecom-opens-up-to-containers/2015/10/ https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/analysis/telecom-opens-u...). Network function virtualization solutions rely increasingly on containers.