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This is completely unwarranted fatalism. Taiwan and Singapore bent the curve, and Korea is doing it now as well. Learn from them and implement! Really don't und

This is completely unwarranted fatalism. Taiwan and Singapore bent the curve, and Korea is doing it now as well. Learn from them and implement! Really don't understand this logic at all - containment is possible.

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treve 7y ago
One way to contain is to take the potential risk serious. If that fails, it's still better to slow down the spread. Preparing a country for this potential outcome is a good thing. If it didn't end up at 60-70%, it will be in part because of a very strong response.
dusklight 7y ago
If you said this last week about Singapore I would agree with you. Have you looked at their graph in the last few days?
- hatenberg 7y ago
  It's still mostly contained (most cases are connected to existing clusters) but the government is foreshadowing that containment is becoming a major problem without being able to rely on geographic travel screening. Many imported cases (UK, Italy, Thailand) in the last few days. The curve is still very much bent when we look at how early this started in the country and it will continue to be flatter than in any place not putting distancing and testing in place on time
kasperni 7y ago
Bent what curve? "South Korea on Wednesday reported 242 additional coronavirus cases, almost double the number of new cases reported on Tuesday, as the emergence of a new outbreak in Seoul worries officials." from [1] [1] https://www.ft.com/content/986b533f-1d3e-3920-ae80-da8dcd8af7b7 https://www.ft.com/content/986b533f-1d3e-3920-ae80-da8dcd8af...
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morsch 7y ago
Until you bend the curve down all the way to 0 new infections per day, you'll eventually reach 60-70%.
- beatgammit 7y ago
  Right, but the longer it takes to get there, the more likely you are to either find a cure. Failing that, you at least reduce pressure on medical infrastructure, which means more people get meaningful care.
detaro 7y ago
That of course assumes all countries can implement this kind of measure as effectively as e.g. Taiwan did. Which gets harder and harder, especially if you can't travel back and time and start it at the right time. The line between fatalism and realism about how much you'll be able to do can be thin. (Although I think that at least parts of Germany would have a fair chance at such measures still)

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treve 7y ago

One way to contain is to take the potential risk serious. If that fails, it's still better to slow down the spread. Preparing a country for this potential outcome is a good thing. If it didn't end up at 60-70%, it will be in part because of a very strong response.

dusklight 7y ago

If you said this last week about Singapore I would agree with you. Have you looked at their graph in the last few days?

hatenberg 7y ago
It's still mostly contained (most cases are connected to existing clusters) but the government is foreshadowing that containment is becoming a major problem without being able to rely on geographic travel screening. Many imported cases (UK, Italy, Thailand) in the last few days. The curve is still very much bent when we look at how early this started in the country and it will continue to be flatter than in any place not putting distancing and testing in place on time

kasperni 7y ago

Bent what curve? "South Korea on Wednesday reported 242 additional coronavirus cases, almost double the number of new cases reported on Tuesday, as the emergence of a new outbreak in Seoul worries officials." from [1] [1] https://www.ft.com/content/986b533f-1d3e-3920-ae80-da8dcd8af7b7 https://www.ft.com/content/986b533f-1d3e-3920-ae80-da8dcd8af...

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morsch 7y ago

Until you bend the curve down all the way to 0 new infections per day, you'll eventually reach 60-70%.

beatgammit 7y ago
Right, but the longer it takes to get there, the more likely you are to either find a cure. Failing that, you at least reduce pressure on medical infrastructure, which means more people get meaningful care.

detaro 7y ago

That of course assumes all countries can implement this kind of measure as effectively as e.g. Taiwan did. Which gets harder and harder, especially if you can't travel back and time and start it at the right time. The line between fatalism and realism about how much you'll be able to do can be thin. (Although I think that at least parts of Germany would have a fair chance at such measures still)