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I also don't understand that chart, but perhaps the huge range must mean there are some underlying different assumptions, calculations, or methodologies. This

I also don't understand that chart, but perhaps the huge range must mean there are some underlying different assumptions, calculations, or methodologies. This study looks at ICU/Critical Care beds, and finds also a large range but quite different ranking as above: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/ Number of ICU/Critical care beds per 100,000 people: US: 20-31.7 Canada: 13.5 Japan: 7.9 UK: 3.5-7.4 China: 2.8-4.6

cavisne 7y ago
The chart in general doesn't make sense (the Czech republic does not have better healthcare than Australia or the UK) backed up by the results here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_o... This pandemic specifically requires assistance breathing for a huge amount of people. I'm not sure how closely that correlates to hospital beds, but it could be a big issue in the US where many hospital-like things are dealt with by urgent care.
- _-___________-_ 7y ago
  > This pandemic specifically requires assistance breathing for a huge amount of people. Most estimates of the ratio of asymptomatic/minor-symptoms people are >=80%.
  - bildung 7y ago
    What is the overall infection prognosis for the US? For Germany it is expected that 60 to 70% of the population will get Covid-19. Assuming 65% for the US, that would mean 214M infected, say over 2 years (and assuming linearity, which is naive) and each critical case needing care for a month, we are talking about nearly 18M critical cases per month. So yes, a huge amount of people.
    - _-___________-_ 7y ago
      80% minor/asymptomatic doesn't mean 20% critical.
bildung 7y ago
GP lists overall hospital beds per people, which includes ICU beds but also encompasses the "normal" beds, e.g. for people recovering from routine procedures, kids with broken legs etc. So the US has 277 hospital beds per 100k inhabitants, of which 20-31.7 are intensive care beds. China has 434 hospital beds per 100k inhabitants, of which 2.8-4.6 are intensive care beds. I'd say overall this may be one factor for assessing quality of healthcare, but also explains the respective system's focus on ambulant vs. stationary care.

cavisne 7y ago

The chart in general doesn't make sense (the Czech republic does not have better healthcare than Australia or the UK) backed up by the results here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_o... This pandemic specifically requires assistance breathing for a huge amount of people. I'm not sure how closely that correlates to hospital beds, but it could be a big issue in the US where many hospital-like things are dealt with by urgent care.

_-___________-_ 7y ago
> This pandemic specifically requires assistance breathing for a huge amount of people. Most estimates of the ratio of asymptomatic/minor-symptoms people are >=80%.
- bildung 7y ago
  What is the overall infection prognosis for the US? For Germany it is expected that 60 to 70% of the population will get Covid-19. Assuming 65% for the US, that would mean 214M infected, say over 2 years (and assuming linearity, which is naive) and each critical case needing care for a month, we are talking about nearly 18M critical cases per month. So yes, a huge amount of people.
  - _-___________-_ 7y ago
    80% minor/asymptomatic doesn't mean 20% critical.

bildung 7y ago

GP lists overall hospital beds per people, which includes ICU beds but also encompasses the "normal" beds, e.g. for people recovering from routine procedures, kids with broken legs etc. So the US has 277 hospital beds per 100k inhabitants, of which 20-31.7 are intensive care beds. China has 434 hospital beds per 100k inhabitants, of which 2.8-4.6 are intensive care beds. I'd say overall this may be one factor for assessing quality of healthcare, but also explains the respective system's focus on ambulant vs. stationary care.