I think the folks really fascinated with which language is intrinsically superior are missing out on the fact that the language itself is <10% of the software d

I think the folks really fascinated with which language is intrinsically superior are missing out on the fact that the language itself is <10% of the software development process. There's tooling, architecture, libraries, monitoring, etc. The language's feature set or verbosity is rarely the bottleneck. I'm skeptical that the PG/Viaweb/Lisp story generalizes at all to non-geniuses. Like, sure, if you gave Paul Graham raw assembly he could probably do some pretty impressive stuff even so. Doesn't mean anyone else can. He's a genius. So is Robert Morris.