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There's a bug somewhere in Open/LibreOffice where an old ODT file opened in a new version loses spell checker support, and no tinkering with dictionaries will f

by mkr-hn 16y ago

There's a bug somewhere in Open/LibreOffice where an old ODT file opened in a new version loses spell checker support, and no tinkering with dictionaries will fix it. It's also carried through a copy and paste. And it happens in Word 2010 when I try to open the same ODT file. Bugs happen.

rbanffy 16y ago
> Bugs happen. But one could assume they could, at least, implement correctly something they invented.
- mkr-hn 16y ago
  That doesn't seem like a good thing to assume. Every invention has issues.
- SoftwareMaven 16y ago
  This comment really make me wonder if you have coded on a large project with a significant group of people. Building an iPhone app is nearly impossible for a single coder to get 100% right, where they have massive control of everything. Add the heterogenous environment of Windows and dozens of programming groups trying to come together, and it is nonsensical to say "they could, at least, implement correctly something they invented." Software is way harder than that.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    I think Microsoft's view of software quality has contaminated the industry. If you can't build your own spec correctly, maybe that's because you got overambitious with it. I find it ludicrous that Microsoft could write the spec, find the resources to corrupt the process at ISO, discredit a valuable institution, cripple it by inflating membership with members that don't participate on any other issues in order to promote a standard that aims to be impossible to implement by third parties and be unable to command the resources required to implement it correctly in the first place. Didn't they have a reference implementation for the standard in the first place?!
    - recoiledsnake 16y ago
      So you mean Microsoft is to blame for Netscape 4.x sucking and crashing on every OS? Office has code dating back to the 80s. Read more for a backstory http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html
      - rbanffy 16y ago
        Who said anything about Netscape? No. It's not OK for Netscape to ship buggy software and it's certainly not OK for a 200+ billion dollar company to do so. What's the excuse? They couldn't hire programmers to correctly implement their own spec years after it being published?
        recoiledsnake 16y ago
        >Who said anything about Netscape? You did, in a way. By saying this: >>I think Microsoft's view of software quality has contaminated the industry. >They couldn't hire programmers to correctly implement their own spec years after it being published? Throwing bodies at something doesn't make it right in software engineering. Haven't you heard of bugs and issues in Google's or Apple's products? After all, Apple is a bigger company now. I was going to link to some Apple bugs but Apple Discussions was down (cue 'why can't a 200+ billion company keep their forums up? Can't they hire more people to fix it?' ) Unable to add beyond 100 pages to document(maybe they need to hire more people to hit 200?) http://discussions.info.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2687922&tstart=45 http://discussions.info.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=26879... http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/apple-looking-into-slow-ios-4-performance-on-iphone-3g.ars http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/apple-looking-into... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg&feature=playe...
        rbanffy 16y ago
        > in a way You mean you interpreted as me saying something about Netscape. > Throwing bodies at something doesn't make it right in software engineering Usually no, but Microsoft can throw a lot of bodies and rebuild from scratch, this time with good engineering. > Apple is a bigger company now. I don't think so. It's just more valuable.
- recoiledsnake 16y ago
  It's sad to see even otherwise knowledgeable people jump on bugs when it's Microsoft while Apple(eg. 3rd generation iPod Touch and iPhones getting superslow for months with iOS 4.0 update), and Google (all the crazy unfixed bugs in SMS like in the other article on the FP, contrast the comments there) get a free pass. Managing the tens or hundreds of millions of code dating back to the 80s is not easy. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html When it's MS, the comments and moderation are always about malice and incompetence, even on HN. I remember someone on Reddit calling HN an Apple fanboy club. I guess they're not that far from the truth looking at the comments and moderation for the articles here.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    Why are you implying that Apple and Google being fallible makes it OK to ship buggy software? It's not OK. It happens, regrettably, and has to be corrected. > Managing the tens or hundreds of millions of code dating back to the 80s is not easy. It seems they should tackle an easier problem then. This one is, evidently, too hard for them. > When it's MS, the comments and moderation are always about malice and incompetence Incompetence, malice and... What would be the third explanation? > I remember someone on Reddit calling HN an Apple fanboy club It's been a long time since it's not.
    - recoiledsnake 16y ago
      It's next to impossible to ship without bugs for something the scale of Office. Your comments seemed to blame Microsoft, so I was giving examples of bugs in other products that have nothing to do with MS. >Incompetence, malice and... What would be the third explanation? Nothing really, but my point was about all the negativity in the comments and moderation when it's MS vs. many other companies. I don't like Microsoft but I don't think they deserve such a raw deal while other companies get a free pass for very similar issues.

by mkr-hn 16y ago

rbanffy 16y ago

> Bugs happen. But one could assume they could, at least, implement correctly something they invented.

mkr-hn 16y ago
That doesn't seem like a good thing to assume. Every invention has issues.
SoftwareMaven 16y ago
This comment really make me wonder if you have coded on a large project with a significant group of people. Building an iPhone app is nearly impossible for a single coder to get 100% right, where they have massive control of everything. Add the heterogenous environment of Windows and dozens of programming groups trying to come together, and it is nonsensical to say "they could, at least, implement correctly something they invented." Software is way harder than that.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  I think Microsoft's view of software quality has contaminated the industry. If you can't build your own spec correctly, maybe that's because you got overambitious with it. I find it ludicrous that Microsoft could write the spec, find the resources to corrupt the process at ISO, discredit a valuable institution, cripple it by inflating membership with members that don't participate on any other issues in order to promote a standard that aims to be impossible to implement by third parties and be unable to command the resources required to implement it correctly in the first place. Didn't they have a reference implementation for the standard in the first place?!
  - recoiledsnake 16y ago
    So you mean Microsoft is to blame for Netscape 4.x sucking and crashing on every OS? Office has code dating back to the 80s. Read more for a backstory http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      Who said anything about Netscape? No. It's not OK for Netscape to ship buggy software and it's certainly not OK for a 200+ billion dollar company to do so. What's the excuse? They couldn't hire programmers to correctly implement their own spec years after it being published?
      - recoiledsnake 16y ago
        >Who said anything about Netscape? You did, in a way. By saying this: >>I think Microsoft's view of software quality has contaminated the industry. >They couldn't hire programmers to correctly implement their own spec years after it being published? Throwing bodies at something doesn't make it right in software engineering. Haven't you heard of bugs and issues in Google's or Apple's products? After all, Apple is a bigger company now. I was going to link to some Apple bugs but Apple Discussions was down (cue 'why can't a 200+ billion company keep their forums up? Can't they hire more people to fix it?' ) Unable to add beyond 100 pages to document(maybe they need to hire more people to hit 200?) http://discussions.info.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2687922&tstart=45 http://discussions.info.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=26879... http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/apple-looking-into-slow-ios-4-performance-on-iphone-3g.ars http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/apple-looking-into... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg&feature=playe...
        rbanffy 16y ago
        > in a way You mean you interpreted as me saying something about Netscape. > Throwing bodies at something doesn't make it right in software engineering Usually no, but Microsoft can throw a lot of bodies and rebuild from scratch, this time with good engineering. > Apple is a bigger company now. I don't think so. It's just more valuable.
recoiledsnake 16y ago
It's sad to see even otherwise knowledgeable people jump on bugs when it's Microsoft while Apple(eg. 3rd generation iPod Touch and iPhones getting superslow for months with iOS 4.0 update), and Google (all the crazy unfixed bugs in SMS like in the other article on the FP, contrast the comments there) get a free pass. Managing the tens or hundreds of millions of code dating back to the 80s is not easy. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html When it's MS, the comments and moderation are always about malice and incompetence, even on HN. I remember someone on Reddit calling HN an Apple fanboy club. I guess they're not that far from the truth looking at the comments and moderation for the articles here.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  Why are you implying that Apple and Google being fallible makes it OK to ship buggy software? It's not OK. It happens, regrettably, and has to be corrected. > Managing the tens or hundreds of millions of code dating back to the 80s is not easy. It seems they should tackle an easier problem then. This one is, evidently, too hard for them. > When it's MS, the comments and moderation are always about malice and incompetence Incompetence, malice and... What would be the third explanation? > I remember someone on Reddit calling HN an Apple fanboy club It's been a long time since it's not.
  - recoiledsnake 16y ago
    It's next to impossible to ship without bugs for something the scale of Office. Your comments seemed to blame Microsoft, so I was giving examples of bugs in other products that have nothing to do with MS. >Incompetence, malice and... What would be the third explanation? Nothing really, but my point was about all the negativity in the comments and moderation when it's MS vs. many other companies. I don't like Microsoft but I don't think they deserve such a raw deal while other companies get a free pass for very similar issues.