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I know exactly who you are talking about. I’ve had some heated exchanges with them on Twitter. What started out as me just trying to understand the viewpoint of
by larrywright 7y ago
I know exactly who you are talking about. I’ve had some heated exchanges with them on Twitter. What started out as me just trying to understand the viewpoint of someone who is different than me, quickly turned into them turning their followers into an angry mob that flooded me with personal attacks.
This one incident turned me off of not only that person but the entire cancel culture movement.
- joshuamorton 7y ago> This one incident turned me off of not only that person but the entire cancel culture movement. Are you perchance saying that you "cancelled" the cancel culture movement based on a single interaction you didn't enjoy?
- larrywright 7y agoBetween that interaction (which wasn’t solely me, there were other people that were treated similarly), and other things I have witnessed from people in that movement, I’m confident that it’s not healthy and not something I want any part of. They have noble goals, but the approach is wrong in a lot of cases. Many of the people have the same toxic personalities that they rail against so loudly.
- lmm 7y agoThere is no problem with an individuals choosing not to engage based on their own experience. The problem with cancel culture is that we are encouraged to treat people as "cancelled" based on hearsay.
- joshuamorton 7y agoYou're under no obligation to do anything. Individuals are simply exercising their own right not to engage based on their own experience. From other comments, you seem to be drawing a distinction between "social pressure" and "individual choices". Can you explain when one becomes the other?
- downerending 7y agoI think we all know a mob when we see one.
- joshuamorton 7y agoClearly not, you'll need to be a bit more convincing than "I know it when I see it."
- tanseydavid 7y agoWhen confronted with a mob you won't have any questions or about whether is or is not.
- jshevek 7y agoIf the mob is acting to achieve an ends I perceive as immoral, I am very quick to see a mob. If the mob is acting to achieve an ends I perceive as righteous, I might never see the mob for what they really are. I've found many people do even less well than I do, at this.
- lmm 7y agoI don't think there's a clear bright line, any more than there's a clear bright line between being avoiding individuals you dislike and discrimination. That doesn't mean the distinction doesn't exist. If one shopkeeper won't serve you, they're exercising their own rights and you can take your business elsewhere. But if every shopkeeper won't serve you, you're probably being discriminated against. I don't presume to draw the line precisely, but we recognise the difference.
- Brian_K_White 7y agoIntolerance of intolerance is not a valid charge of intolerance. Every freaking pathetic wannabe klan leader tries that one and thinks they outwitted everyone when they do. Great club you just joined there.
- joshuamorton 7y agoYes, so intolerance of someone like ESR seems valid under that view.
- larrywright 7y agoThat’s not what I’m arguing, and I believe ESR wasn’t being intolerant of her, but rather some of her views.