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"ratfucking"? Classy. I don't agree with him but I feel a bit sorry for him. He's passionate about this and he believes what he's saying. Perhaps nothing could

"ratfucking"? Classy. I don't agree with him but I feel a bit sorry for him. He's passionate about this and he believes what he's saying. Perhaps nothing could make him see things differently, but banning him definitely won't.

yellowapple 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking
monksy 7y ago
I find it rather concerning that they're that quick to ban him for voicing dissidence. Was there anyone threatened by his speech?
- kick 7y ago
  He has a long history of making statements like this. Anyone showing up for the first time in years only to intentionally and obviously violate rules should be kicked out. I fully agree with the idea that "ethical" licenses aren't free software, but the dude is a terrible actor in this. He violated the rules, and got banned. That's not a bad thing!
  - kragen 7y ago
    I don't see any evidence that he violated the rules; he described Coraline Ada Ehmke as a "toxic loonytoon" as part of his opposition to her ethical beliefs. Whether or not he is correct about that, I don't see how it's a violation of the rules to say so — it's not as if he used a slur against women, white people, or transgender people. Even when he railed against "Marxism" (it's not clear to me whether Ehmke is a Marxist, but certainly some of her supporters are) he didn't use slurs like "commie" or "tankie", despite the bitter hatred of Marxism that his life is oriented around.
- nabla9 7y ago
  It's not the treat, it's the lunatic ranting part. For the sake of fairness, consider the case that people opposing him would use similar lunatic language. They would drop fighting words like neoconservatives, greedy capitalist, far right nuts into the discussion. That would be crazy just as well. ---- For the record, I think ESR was mostly right on the issues. He is just communicating like lunatic angry person.
VectorLock 7y ago
Are you objecting to the word "ratfucking" or the ratfucking itself? As vulgar as it sounds, the word itself has a well established meaning.
- fancyfredbot 7y ago
  Thanks - I didn't know that. I actually find his message less offensive now. I stand by my assessment it's not classy language though.
  - kragen 7y ago
    Perhaps we should base our judgments about the issues under discussion by the plausibility of the claims being made, the evidence supporting them, the likely consequences of different possible courses of action, and our values, rather than whether the proponents of one or another point of view hail from the upper class or the lower class.
    - VectorLock 7y ago
      "Classy" in this case doesn't mean "class." Some people are turned off by vulgar language.
      - kragen 7y ago
        You say, '"Classy" in this case doesn't mean "class." Some people are turned off by vulgar language.' Your two statements seem to contradict each other; the first one is incorrect, and the second one is correct. Perhaps you do not know what the word "vulgar" means; it means "of the common people", that is to say, the lower class.
        VectorLock 7y ago
        Despite the pedantic definitions of the words, the point the commenter was trying to make wasn't about class distinctions, it was that they were perceiving it to be offensive.

yellowapple 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

monksy 7y ago

I find it rather concerning that they're that quick to ban him for voicing dissidence. Was there anyone threatened by his speech?

kick 7y ago
He has a long history of making statements like this. Anyone showing up for the first time in years only to intentionally and obviously violate rules should be kicked out. I fully agree with the idea that "ethical" licenses aren't free software, but the dude is a terrible actor in this. He violated the rules, and got banned. That's not a bad thing!
- kragen 7y ago
  I don't see any evidence that he violated the rules; he described Coraline Ada Ehmke as a "toxic loonytoon" as part of his opposition to her ethical beliefs. Whether or not he is correct about that, I don't see how it's a violation of the rules to say so — it's not as if he used a slur against women, white people, or transgender people. Even when he railed against "Marxism" (it's not clear to me whether Ehmke is a Marxist, but certainly some of her supporters are) he didn't use slurs like "commie" or "tankie", despite the bitter hatred of Marxism that his life is oriented around.
nabla9 7y ago
It's not the treat, it's the lunatic ranting part. For the sake of fairness, consider the case that people opposing him would use similar lunatic language. They would drop fighting words like neoconservatives, greedy capitalist, far right nuts into the discussion. That would be crazy just as well. ---- For the record, I think ESR was mostly right on the issues. He is just communicating like lunatic angry person.

VectorLock 7y ago

Are you objecting to the word "ratfucking" or the ratfucking itself? As vulgar as it sounds, the word itself has a well established meaning.

fancyfredbot 7y ago
Thanks - I didn't know that. I actually find his message less offensive now. I stand by my assessment it's not classy language though.
- kragen 7y ago
  Perhaps we should base our judgments about the issues under discussion by the plausibility of the claims being made, the evidence supporting them, the likely consequences of different possible courses of action, and our values, rather than whether the proponents of one or another point of view hail from the upper class or the lower class.
  - VectorLock 7y ago
    "Classy" in this case doesn't mean "class." Some people are turned off by vulgar language.
    - kragen 7y ago
      You say, '"Classy" in this case doesn't mean "class." Some people are turned off by vulgar language.' Your two statements seem to contradict each other; the first one is incorrect, and the second one is correct. Perhaps you do not know what the word "vulgar" means; it means "of the common people", that is to say, the lower class.
      - VectorLock 7y ago
        Despite the pedantic definitions of the words, the point the commenter was trying to make wasn't about class distinctions, it was that they were perceiving it to be offensive.