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Here's a previous thread on the topic [1]. From what I can gather, Eric was arguing against allowing "ethical source" licenses from being designated as "Open So

by evv 7y ago

Here's a previous thread on the topic [1]. From what I can gather, Eric was arguing against allowing "ethical source" licenses from being designated as "Open Source" by the institute. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22518370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22518370

kick 7y ago
That thread is wrong. Unfortunately, for a stupid reason. The OSI removed the messages from their archive after he got banned. Because removing all evidence is totally the correct thing to do. I support getting rid of Raymond, but they couldn't have made themselves come off worse to your average internet commentator.
- mikestew 7y ago
  The OSI removed the messages from their archive after he got banned. Until demonstrated how it might be otherwise, I contend that to be lunacy. Without a dog in the fight, or frankly much interest, I looked at the thread to make my own conclusions. I found nothing from ESR that I consider offensive, and I have much less tolerance for ass-clown behavior than I used to (coincidentally about the time I started working on becoming less of an ass-clown myself). So I walk away thinking, yup, some special dandruff flake got their panties in a bunch over something silly. Because the message that might have changed my mind on that, well, it's not visible anymore.
  - buckminster 7y ago
    As far as I know this was a natural consequence of their moderation, not a one-off attempt to edit history. Anyway, you can read ESR's dodgy message quoted in this post: http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2020-February/021328.html http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists....
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wyldfire 7y ago
Here's Coraline Ada Ehmke's response [1]. IMO the "Persona Non Grata" clause is a mistake and ESR is right to oppose it. I don't agree with ESR on a lot of things but we should all agree that licenses that support/permit/include these clauses are not "Open Source". This endorsement from OSI is important and I don't think it should apply. [1] https://threader.app/thread/1233089062430478336 https://threader.app/thread/1233089062430478336

by evv 7y ago

kick 7y ago

That thread is wrong. Unfortunately, for a stupid reason. The OSI removed the messages from their archive after he got banned. Because removing all evidence is totally the correct thing to do. I support getting rid of Raymond, but they couldn't have made themselves come off worse to your average internet commentator.

mikestew 7y ago
The OSI removed the messages from their archive after he got banned. Until demonstrated how it might be otherwise, I contend that to be lunacy. Without a dog in the fight, or frankly much interest, I looked at the thread to make my own conclusions. I found nothing from ESR that I consider offensive, and I have much less tolerance for ass-clown behavior than I used to (coincidentally about the time I started working on becoming less of an ass-clown myself). So I walk away thinking, yup, some special dandruff flake got their panties in a bunch over something silly. Because the message that might have changed my mind on that, well, it's not visible anymore.
- buckminster 7y ago
  As far as I know this was a natural consequence of their moderation, not a one-off attempt to edit history. Anyway, you can read ESR's dodgy message quoted in this post: http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2020-February/021328.html http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists....

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wyldfire 7y ago

Here's Coraline Ada Ehmke's response [1]. IMO the "Persona Non Grata" clause is a mistake and ESR is right to oppose it. I don't agree with ESR on a lot of things but we should all agree that licenses that support/permit/include these clauses are not "Open Source". This endorsement from OSI is important and I don't think it should apply. [1] https://threader.app/thread/1233089062430478336 https://threader.app/thread/1233089062430478336