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If the site is not pursuing a political agenda, why put that stuff in there? All it does is interfere because people who disagree with all of those claims may i

If the site is not pursuing a political agenda, why put that stuff in there? All it does is interfere because people who disagree with all of those claims may ignore the whole thing. If it doesn't help, take it out. Otherwise, it's about politics.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
What stuff in particular are you referring to?
- generalpass 7y ago
  > Relative to Other Countries, US Labor and Healthcare Policies are a Perfect Storm for Pandemics > > Zero universal guaranteed paid sick leave > Even among those with paid sick leave, the covered time frame is often on the order of days, not the weeks adequate to account for prolonged illness. > Zero guaranteed paid family leave to care for sick members > Zero guaranteed financial or operational support for people who should self-quarantine. People are therefore ignoring quarantine because they need to eat. > Many people are uninsured. Given where things are right now (cryptic transmission and no available vaccine), the insurance companies have a moral obligation but have no financial incentive to improve testing and ensure access to care. > In the USA insurance is tied to their employment, so when they get sick they are also vulnerable to bankruptcy. In a pandemic year this is devastating for an economy. > Never has there been a clearer case for single-payer health care as a public good. The voting public in the US need to care as much about “keeping their doctor” as they do about keeping their doctor alive. Doctors worldwide are getting pummeled on the frontlines of this crisis, the lack of protective equipment is causing them to get infected, and themselves unable to get the care they need. For a personal lens on this, have a look here, but this is by no means unique; the accounts are flooding in.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    The only sentence that could be seen as politically motivated is "Never has there been a clearer case for single-payer health care as a public good." With the exception of that one sentence, those are all facts, and it's disturbing to think that saying the fact that insurance is tied to employment is somehow political.
    - generalpass 7y ago
      You and the other commenter I believe are not seeing other sides to positions, which is common amongst almost everyone. Those "facts" (facts, themselves, are subjective because they judged so by man) presented are highly selective in order to lead to a specific conclusion. For example, it doesn't state that you can't purchase health insurance across state borders - also a fact and also contributes to increased prices. The reason that insurance is "tied" to employment is because only a company can deduct health insurance on their taxes. Building a new hospital is nearly impossible due to, among many other regulations, being required to get permission from other regional hospitals before building a new hospital. This both increases prices and reduces the number of available beds. And to yet further demonstrate my point, we can see that even mentioning the political agenda on the site generates discussion on the politics.
      - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
        But none of those reasons matter - the "why" that insurance is tied to employment doesn't matter because it does and affects this situations reality, right now. Apologizing for that "why" doesn't change the situation one iota.
        generalpass 7y ago
        > But none of those reasons matter - the "why" that insurance is tied to employment doesn't matter because it does and affects this situations reality, right now. Apologizing for that "why" doesn't change the situation one iota. I seem to have not made my positions clear: The site has a political agenda, which is made clear by the quoted section, which includes statements are selected to support the political policy being promoted. So, the reason the things I stated matter is that we can easily come to different conclusions, and that is likely why they are left off of the site: Can't sell health insurance across state borders - fix by permitting sales across borders, putting downward pressure on price. Insurance is tied to employment because of the tax code - fix by either eliminating the deduction or adding the deduction to personal tax code. Can't build new hospitals because you have to get permission from other regional hospitals - fix by getting rid of the regulation, thus generating increased interest in new hospital development, in turn increasing the number of beds and putting downward pressure on prices.
  - DerpyBaby123 7y ago
    The first section seems to be stating facts, and the second editorializes a conclusion based on those facts. Do you raise an issue with the first paragraph?

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago

What stuff in particular are you referring to?

generalpass 7y ago
> Relative to Other Countries, US Labor and Healthcare Policies are a Perfect Storm for Pandemics > > Zero universal guaranteed paid sick leave > Even among those with paid sick leave, the covered time frame is often on the order of days, not the weeks adequate to account for prolonged illness. > Zero guaranteed paid family leave to care for sick members > Zero guaranteed financial or operational support for people who should self-quarantine. People are therefore ignoring quarantine because they need to eat. > Many people are uninsured. Given where things are right now (cryptic transmission and no available vaccine), the insurance companies have a moral obligation but have no financial incentive to improve testing and ensure access to care. > In the USA insurance is tied to their employment, so when they get sick they are also vulnerable to bankruptcy. In a pandemic year this is devastating for an economy. > Never has there been a clearer case for single-payer health care as a public good. The voting public in the US need to care as much about “keeping their doctor” as they do about keeping their doctor alive. Doctors worldwide are getting pummeled on the frontlines of this crisis, the lack of protective equipment is causing them to get infected, and themselves unable to get the care they need. For a personal lens on this, have a look here, but this is by no means unique; the accounts are flooding in.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  The only sentence that could be seen as politically motivated is "Never has there been a clearer case for single-payer health care as a public good." With the exception of that one sentence, those are all facts, and it's disturbing to think that saying the fact that insurance is tied to employment is somehow political.
  - generalpass 7y ago
    You and the other commenter I believe are not seeing other sides to positions, which is common amongst almost everyone. Those "facts" (facts, themselves, are subjective because they judged so by man) presented are highly selective in order to lead to a specific conclusion. For example, it doesn't state that you can't purchase health insurance across state borders - also a fact and also contributes to increased prices. The reason that insurance is "tied" to employment is because only a company can deduct health insurance on their taxes. Building a new hospital is nearly impossible due to, among many other regulations, being required to get permission from other regional hospitals before building a new hospital. This both increases prices and reduces the number of available beds. And to yet further demonstrate my point, we can see that even mentioning the political agenda on the site generates discussion on the politics.
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      But none of those reasons matter - the "why" that insurance is tied to employment doesn't matter because it does and affects this situations reality, right now. Apologizing for that "why" doesn't change the situation one iota.
      - generalpass 7y ago
        > But none of those reasons matter - the "why" that insurance is tied to employment doesn't matter because it does and affects this situations reality, right now. Apologizing for that "why" doesn't change the situation one iota. I seem to have not made my positions clear: The site has a political agenda, which is made clear by the quoted section, which includes statements are selected to support the political policy being promoted. So, the reason the things I stated matter is that we can easily come to different conclusions, and that is likely why they are left off of the site: Can't sell health insurance across state borders - fix by permitting sales across borders, putting downward pressure on price. Insurance is tied to employment because of the tax code - fix by either eliminating the deduction or adding the deduction to personal tax code. Can't build new hospitals because you have to get permission from other regional hospitals - fix by getting rid of the regulation, thus generating increased interest in new hospital development, in turn increasing the number of beds and putting downward pressure on prices.
- DerpyBaby123 7y ago
  The first section seems to be stating facts, and the second editorializes a conclusion based on those facts. Do you raise an issue with the first paragraph?