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Personally, I don't want to micromanage "containers" as a user. I truly don't understand why this is considered a nice feature. Who wants to micromanage anythin

Personally, I don't want to micromanage "containers" as a user. I truly don't understand why this is considered a nice feature. Who wants to micromanage anything? What I want is for every web page to run in its own container by default. Zero configuration. If it wants to access anything outside of its allowed domain hiearchy (like call an external API), I'd like the browser to ask for permission on its behalf. "Github.com would like to share data with Microsoft.com. Allow/Deny?" There could be some kind of trust standard so that Github.com can prove that they are the same legal entity as Microsoft.com and is therefore authorized to share information without asking. Or perhaps something simpler that is DNS-based, like with email.

sadfklsjlkjwt 7y ago
Try umatrix you could use it a little like this. Sadly most sites use a lot of third party javascript, css etc so it will be a clunkier experience than you are hoping for.
- atombender 7y ago
  That just sounds like more micromanagement to me?
  - dorgo 7y ago
    What is the difference to answering 10 to 20 "Allow/Deny?" question on each website? The website just won't work until you figure out which 3 of the 15 requests are needed to render the website properly. Most of these domains aren't "microsoft.com" but something like "gibberish123.net". Good luck guessing whether the request is legitime/usefull. edit: sounds like another addon idea: find the minimal set of 3rd parties needed to render a website.
    - atombender 7y ago
      You can eliminate most of those things based on general blacklisting rules for ads and beacons of the kind that adblockers currently rely on.
    - mr_toad 7y ago
      > find the minimal set of 3rd parties needed to render a website. uMatrix tries to do this already with some third party scripts, but it’s a moving target.
rolandog 7y ago
I don't want to sound dismissive of your proposal, it'd be great to have a more restrictive set of defaults to prevent tracking... But just consider the automatic way a regular user clicks at any prompt that gets in their way out of habit... I am guilty of this sometimes, even though I try to be mindful and always try to opt-out of tracking cookies, etc. I think the system you're proposing has to have some sort of smart way to whitelist, either by granting temporary whitelisting with varying granularity (e.g. for this session, for 1 hour, forever ... Etc). I think Privacy Badger (the add-on) has partially solved this (learning through counting how many times a tracker's domain appears on other sites), maybe this could applied in reverse: automatically whitelist after N approvals. What do you think?
- atombender 7y ago
  Whatever system is used, it would have to be low-noise, yes.
richdougherty 7y ago
I use Temporary Containers for getting each web page to run in its own container: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con... When I want to stay logged into anything I self-manage and create a named container. (This requires micromanaging but is at least opt-in.) But the default of separate temp containers is great.
- johnisgood 7y ago
  Is there a similar extension for Chrome/Chromium?
  - richdougherty 7y ago
    I don't think so.
- cassianoleal 7y ago
  I do the same. Have been doing it for a while now, and the internet still works but I get less creepy ads (when I do since I also block those as much as possible).

sadfklsjlkjwt 7y ago

Try umatrix you could use it a little like this. Sadly most sites use a lot of third party javascript, css etc so it will be a clunkier experience than you are hoping for.

atombender 7y ago
That just sounds like more micromanagement to me?
- dorgo 7y ago
  What is the difference to answering 10 to 20 "Allow/Deny?" question on each website? The website just won't work until you figure out which 3 of the 15 requests are needed to render the website properly. Most of these domains aren't "microsoft.com" but something like "gibberish123.net". Good luck guessing whether the request is legitime/usefull. edit: sounds like another addon idea: find the minimal set of 3rd parties needed to render a website.
  - atombender 7y ago
    You can eliminate most of those things based on general blacklisting rules for ads and beacons of the kind that adblockers currently rely on.
  - mr_toad 7y ago
    > find the minimal set of 3rd parties needed to render a website. uMatrix tries to do this already with some third party scripts, but it’s a moving target.

rolandog 7y ago

I don't want to sound dismissive of your proposal, it'd be great to have a more restrictive set of defaults to prevent tracking... But just consider the automatic way a regular user clicks at any prompt that gets in their way out of habit... I am guilty of this sometimes, even though I try to be mindful and always try to opt-out of tracking cookies, etc. I think the system you're proposing has to have some sort of smart way to whitelist, either by granting temporary whitelisting with varying granularity (e.g. for this session, for 1 hour, forever ... Etc). I think Privacy Badger (the add-on) has partially solved this (learning through counting how many times a tracker's domain appears on other sites), maybe this could applied in reverse: automatically whitelist after N approvals. What do you think?

atombender 7y ago
Whatever system is used, it would have to be low-noise, yes.

richdougherty 7y ago

I use Temporary Containers for getting each web page to run in its own container: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con... When I want to stay logged into anything I self-manage and create a named container. (This requires micromanaging but is at least opt-in.) But the default of separate temp containers is great.

johnisgood 7y ago
Is there a similar extension for Chrome/Chromium?
- richdougherty 7y ago
  I don't think so.
cassianoleal 7y ago
I do the same. Have been doing it for a while now, and the internet still works but I get less creepy ads (when I do since I also block those as much as possible).