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> And you'd mostly spend your life in bunkers underground That's okay for many people knowing they are in the forefront of humanity's interplanetary expansion.

> And you'd mostly spend your life in bunkers underground That's okay for many people knowing they are in the forefront of humanity's interplanetary expansion. Also, probably whatever they do will enter the history books as epic heroic acts.

hutzlibu 7y ago
Well yes. Here on earth there are indeed many people who think they want that. Mars one proved at least that. But I am not so sure, if they will be also so happy on mars, if they really have to be underground allmost the whole time and teleoperate the robotic exploration and mining on the surface etc. For me the dark winter already is every year challenging. But being in a dark winter so to say forever, would not be bearable for me.
- chr1 7y ago
  Not having good lighting is indeed a dealbreaker, but there's no real reason why we can't make artificial lights that look close enough to the sun. Similarly if some caves are street sized, being there would not feel like being underground. Add to that better vr, and ability to jump really high due to low gravity and living in martian cave will be almost better than living in many cities here on earth (of course this is assuming 0.3g is high enough to prevent adverse effects astronauts see in 0g).
  - hutzlibu 7y ago
    Sure. I also see no reason why we could not engineer domes that shield us from the radiation. Or at least shield good enough to allow for some hours every day "outside". But the first pioneers will be probably cave dwellers or will die of cancer after a few years. Which is probably exepteble for quite some people, if they get those pioneer years instead...
- ProZsolt 7y ago
  The artificial sun is a solved problem. There are even commercially available products for that: https://www.coelux.com/ https://www.coelux.com/ The problem with the winter that you stuck in your "small" house. If you create Cosco sized "open" space underground it won't be a problem for most of the people.
  - hutzlibu 7y ago
    Those electric suns really did not convince me at all. I do not know if your linked product uses a new technology, but the ones I tried, I disliked and they could never replace the real sunlight for me. And yes, I also meant the space problem. Open space underground might solve it for some people, but probably not for me. I would always feel like in a prison, if I cannot go outside and feel real wind. But humans are adoptable. Still, I suspect quite many, who think they want that, would probably go crazy, if they really would be stuck in a bunker forever.

hutzlibu 7y ago

Well yes. Here on earth there are indeed many people who think they want that. Mars one proved at least that. But I am not so sure, if they will be also so happy on mars, if they really have to be underground allmost the whole time and teleoperate the robotic exploration and mining on the surface etc. For me the dark winter already is every year challenging. But being in a dark winter so to say forever, would not be bearable for me.

chr1 7y ago
Not having good lighting is indeed a dealbreaker, but there's no real reason why we can't make artificial lights that look close enough to the sun. Similarly if some caves are street sized, being there would not feel like being underground. Add to that better vr, and ability to jump really high due to low gravity and living in martian cave will be almost better than living in many cities here on earth (of course this is assuming 0.3g is high enough to prevent adverse effects astronauts see in 0g).
- hutzlibu 7y ago
  Sure. I also see no reason why we could not engineer domes that shield us from the radiation. Or at least shield good enough to allow for some hours every day "outside". But the first pioneers will be probably cave dwellers or will die of cancer after a few years. Which is probably exepteble for quite some people, if they get those pioneer years instead...
ProZsolt 7y ago
The artificial sun is a solved problem. There are even commercially available products for that: https://www.coelux.com/ https://www.coelux.com/ The problem with the winter that you stuck in your "small" house. If you create Cosco sized "open" space underground it won't be a problem for most of the people.
- hutzlibu 7y ago
  Those electric suns really did not convince me at all. I do not know if your linked product uses a new technology, but the ones I tried, I disliked and they could never replace the real sunlight for me. And yes, I also meant the space problem. Open space underground might solve it for some people, but probably not for me. I would always feel like in a prison, if I cannot go outside and feel real wind. But humans are adoptable. Still, I suspect quite many, who think they want that, would probably go crazy, if they really would be stuck in a bunker forever.