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https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/thumb/5/5c/7nm_densities.svg/1050px-7nm_densities.svg.png https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/thumb/5/5c/7nm_densities.sv... Beca

https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/thumb/5/5c/7nm_densities.svg/1050px-7nm_densities.svg.png https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/thumb/5/5c/7nm_densities.sv... Because their 10nm is denser than tsmc's so called 7nm?

roblabla 7y ago
TSMC has a new process called N7P EUV that has a higher density than Intel's 10nm process[0], in production since last year. They also are on track to have their N5 process in production next year, which is supposed to have an even higher density[1]. Obviously, N5 isn't in prod yet so this is just a roadmap, maybe they'll hit roadblocks like intel here. But still, it's disingenuous to claim that Intel is trying something that wasn't achieved by TSMC already. TSMC has already beaten Intel on transistor density fair and square. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process#7_nm_process_nodes_and_process_offerings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process#7_nm_process_node... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process#5_nm_process_nodes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process#5_nm_process_node...
- maallooc 7y ago
  N7+ EUV is 1.2x denser but also it's yield is horrible according to sources. https://wccftech.com/tsmc-7nm-euv-yield-alleged/ https://wccftech.com/tsmc-7nm-euv-yield-alleged/ And you can't compare tsmc vs Intel directly because their target chip size is different. Intel produces chips size of avg. 180mm² while tsmc and others aim for under 80mm². Even the industry leader producing small chips are suffering in yield for ranges of 113MTr/mm². Intel producing huge chips with 100.76MTr/mm² density even without EUV means they are going through the right way. With those knoledges on non-EUV nodes I expect Intel to be on par (which it already is) or be superior than others in about 1-2 years. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/File:5nm_densities.svg https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/File:5nm_densities.svg People having insight to this industry doesn't think Intel has ever been left behind in this race towards density. Fanboys and regular people influenced by the media does.

roblabla 7y ago

TSMC has a new process called N7P EUV that has a higher density than Intel's 10nm process[0], in production since last year. They also are on track to have their N5 process in production next year, which is supposed to have an even higher density[1]. Obviously, N5 isn't in prod yet so this is just a roadmap, maybe they'll hit roadblocks like intel here. But still, it's disingenuous to claim that Intel is trying something that wasn't achieved by TSMC already. TSMC has already beaten Intel on transistor density fair and square. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process#7_nm_process_nodes_and_process_offerings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process#7_nm_process_node... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process#5_nm_process_nodes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process#5_nm_process_node...

maallooc 7y ago
N7+ EUV is 1.2x denser but also it's yield is horrible according to sources. https://wccftech.com/tsmc-7nm-euv-yield-alleged/ https://wccftech.com/tsmc-7nm-euv-yield-alleged/ And you can't compare tsmc vs Intel directly because their target chip size is different. Intel produces chips size of avg. 180mm² while tsmc and others aim for under 80mm². Even the industry leader producing small chips are suffering in yield for ranges of 113MTr/mm². Intel producing huge chips with 100.76MTr/mm² density even without EUV means they are going through the right way. With those knoledges on non-EUV nodes I expect Intel to be on par (which it already is) or be superior than others in about 1-2 years. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/File:5nm_densities.svg https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/File:5nm_densities.svg People having insight to this industry doesn't think Intel has ever been left behind in this race towards density. Fanboys and regular people influenced by the media does.