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I would'nt be so cocksure as that. Much of western peoples view of Soviet Union is coloured by the cold war propaganda still.(Witness the recent HBO series Cher

I would'nt be so cocksure as that. Much of western peoples view of Soviet Union is coloured by the cold war propaganda still.(Witness the recent HBO series Chernobyl, even West based Russia-scholars feel that it gives a very inaccurate portrayal of Perestroika era Soviet Union. Even it was made with no Russian/Ukrainian talent either in the front or rear of the camera. Imagine a drama of Three Mile Island, made entirely by Russians, with a wholely Russian cast and crew, how preposterous it would be.). There was much incompetence surely, but pure malice, I think is yet debatable.

gkilmain 7y ago
Interesting. I work with a bunch of older Russians and they say it was very accurate.
- billfruit 7y ago
  See this opinion: https://wap.business-standard.com/article/opinion/if-chernobyl-was-made-by-russians-119053101715_1.html https://wap.business-standard.com/article/opinion/if-chernob... And this too: https://www.rt.com/news/460878-chernobyl-hbo-fake-soviet/ https://www.rt.com/news/460878-chernobyl-hbo-fake-soviet/ May be RT is not the most reputed organ, but that particular article seemed written with an authentic motive: "These elements of Soviet life may seem like the background to the central human stories, but in fact they dictated how each scene shown in Chernobyl unfolded in real life. And although occasionally the show hits upon the right note, perhaps when it sticks closest to a verbatim recreation, it does not seem to realize it. Most of the time, those involved act wrong on the wrong motivations, talk about the wrong things, and say them in the wrong order with an alien cadence that is more than just a different language." "The most jarring scene is a Soviet minister bargaining with coal miners at gunpoint to persuade them to dig a tunnel under Chernobyl. Moscow mandarins did not negotiate with those 10 rungs below them – they sent down orders and didn’t need bullets to enforce them." "Mazin’s party officials are more like sullen gangsters protecting their own patch – they bully, shout, laugh ostentatiously, and bang their fists on the table. Stellan Skarsgard’s senior cabinet minister threatens to throw Jared Harris’s renowned academic off a helicopter, then to shoot him, but the conversation is as implausible as it would be if it were shown between Vice President George H.W. Bush and physicist Richard Feynman, to pick two contemporaries."
- kiliantics 7y ago
  Are they Russians in Russia, who supported the Soviet Union? Or Russians that left Russia because the Soviet Union nationalised their land? Most cases of "I know Russians and they say X" or "I know Cubans and they say Y" are claims in the West that are informed by the fleeing bourgeoisie that would of course be critical of the regime change.
  - Koshkin 7y ago
    > because the Soviet Union nationalised their land I don't think they were that old.

gkilmain 7y ago

Interesting. I work with a bunch of older Russians and they say it was very accurate.

billfruit 7y ago
See this opinion: https://wap.business-standard.com/article/opinion/if-chernobyl-was-made-by-russians-119053101715_1.html https://wap.business-standard.com/article/opinion/if-chernob... And this too: https://www.rt.com/news/460878-chernobyl-hbo-fake-soviet/ https://www.rt.com/news/460878-chernobyl-hbo-fake-soviet/ May be RT is not the most reputed organ, but that particular article seemed written with an authentic motive: "These elements of Soviet life may seem like the background to the central human stories, but in fact they dictated how each scene shown in Chernobyl unfolded in real life. And although occasionally the show hits upon the right note, perhaps when it sticks closest to a verbatim recreation, it does not seem to realize it. Most of the time, those involved act wrong on the wrong motivations, talk about the wrong things, and say them in the wrong order with an alien cadence that is more than just a different language." "The most jarring scene is a Soviet minister bargaining with coal miners at gunpoint to persuade them to dig a tunnel under Chernobyl. Moscow mandarins did not negotiate with those 10 rungs below them – they sent down orders and didn’t need bullets to enforce them." "Mazin’s party officials are more like sullen gangsters protecting their own patch – they bully, shout, laugh ostentatiously, and bang their fists on the table. Stellan Skarsgard’s senior cabinet minister threatens to throw Jared Harris’s renowned academic off a helicopter, then to shoot him, but the conversation is as implausible as it would be if it were shown between Vice President George H.W. Bush and physicist Richard Feynman, to pick two contemporaries."
kiliantics 7y ago
Are they Russians in Russia, who supported the Soviet Union? Or Russians that left Russia because the Soviet Union nationalised their land? Most cases of "I know Russians and they say X" or "I know Cubans and they say Y" are claims in the West that are informed by the fleeing bourgeoisie that would of course be critical of the regime change.
- Koshkin 7y ago
  > because the Soviet Union nationalised their land I don't think they were that old.