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Ads don't just inform people that Scientology exists, that's widely known. They try to manipulate them into joining. The "real" problem here is that people can

Ads don't just inform people that Scientology exists, that's widely known. They try to manipulate them into joining. The "real" problem here is that people can be manipulated like that. But until we find a way to remove that vulnerability we must stop Scientology from exploiting it.

ailideex 7y ago
But is Scientology's view not that we are essentially manipulated into our current value and belief systems? Why does your goal of trying to limit their "manipulation" have more validity than their goal of limiting yours?
- nemo 7y ago
  "Why does your goal of trying to limit their "manipulation" have more validity than their goal of limiting yours?" Because Scientology's views aren't held in good faith and claims about society should be assumed to be pretexts used to justify the quoted excuse for predatory behavior. Scientology has a history of fraud, kidnapping, extortion, and other extreme exploitation and don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Their views do have less validity since they're known bad actors.
  - stronglikedan 7y ago
    I personally think they are kooks, and their views are less valid to me, but I also realize that it's just my subjective opinion. They also have the subjective opinion that their views are valid to them, and our views have less validity. No way to say who's "right", so they should be allowed to advertise until we agree on laws (still subjective) to possibly invalidate their views.
    - nemo 7y ago
      They are not mere kooks. They are an organized criminal enterprise. They've engaged in arson, kidnapping, extortion, attempted assassinations, money laundering, and other criminal acts. They are actively malicious and that's as realistic a line for dividing who is and isn't right there is.
    - anoncake 7y ago
      Of course Scientology should be allowed to advertise until there is a law that forbids that. That's how laws work.

ailideex 7y ago

But is Scientology's view not that we are essentially manipulated into our current value and belief systems? Why does your goal of trying to limit their "manipulation" have more validity than their goal of limiting yours?

nemo 7y ago
"Why does your goal of trying to limit their "manipulation" have more validity than their goal of limiting yours?" Because Scientology's views aren't held in good faith and claims about society should be assumed to be pretexts used to justify the quoted excuse for predatory behavior. Scientology has a history of fraud, kidnapping, extortion, and other extreme exploitation and don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Their views do have less validity since they're known bad actors.
- stronglikedan 7y ago
  I personally think they are kooks, and their views are less valid to me, but I also realize that it's just my subjective opinion. They also have the subjective opinion that their views are valid to them, and our views have less validity. No way to say who's "right", so they should be allowed to advertise until we agree on laws (still subjective) to possibly invalidate their views.
  - nemo 7y ago
    They are not mere kooks. They are an organized criminal enterprise. They've engaged in arson, kidnapping, extortion, attempted assassinations, money laundering, and other criminal acts. They are actively malicious and that's as realistic a line for dividing who is and isn't right there is.
  - anoncake 7y ago
    Of course Scientology should be allowed to advertise until there is a law that forbids that. That's how laws work.