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> Bornholm was quietly evacuated leaving no Soviet presence in Scandinavia. Arguably incorrect, since the Soviets maintained a naval base in Porkkala, Finland,
by 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
> Bornholm was quietly evacuated leaving no Soviet presence in Scandinavia.
Arguably incorrect, since the Soviets maintained a naval base in Porkkala, Finland, just west of Helsinki, until 1956. (Arguably because Finland is culturally but not strictly geographically Scandinavian.)
- Trafz 7y agoFinland isn't a part of Scandinavia. The culture doesn't matter. A lot of countries share a "Western Culture". Doesn't mean that what happens in 1 country, happens in all of them.
- Svip 7y agoA lot of people confuse 'Scandinavian' with 'Nordic'. Scandinavia is a geographical description, Nordic is more cultural, which includes Scandinavia, Finland and Iceland.
- bmn__ 7y agoPoor Estonia suffers neglect. :) ‣ https://satwcomic.com/new-nordic https://satwcomic.com/new-nordic ‣ https://satwcomic.com/greatest-authority https://satwcomic.com/greatest-authority ‣ https://satwcomic.com/imposter https://satwcomic.com/imposter ‣ https://satwcomic.com/party-crasher https://satwcomic.com/party-crasher
- Svip 7y agoI was actually considering including Estonia in my list, but they are not a member of the Nordic Council. And Estonia's Nordic bona fide is a matter of dispute. Personally, I believe Estonia to be a Nordic country, including having the Nordic Cross design variant of the Estonian flag hanging on my wall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estonian_alternative_flag_proposal.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estonian_alternative_flag... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Estonia#Nordic_flag_proposals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Estonia#Nordic_flag_pr... Furthermore, in an article about military history, Scandinavia is understood - in a military geopolitical context - to only include Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
- tenant 7y agoAnd what about the Faroe Islands? The people of the Orkney and Shetland Islands of Scotland are fond of claiming Scandanavian heritage too.
- BurningFrog 7y agoI would argue an independent Scotland could become the 6th Nordic nation. Of course, I enjoy being contrarian more than I probably should. I'm Swedish, if that matters.
- tenant 7y agoWell it's certainly northerly anyway.
- BurningFrog 7y agoIt also has a similar culture, weather and history. Not sure if any Scots agree, but it seems right to me at least.
- httpsterio 7y agoas a half finn half dane, this is incorrect. Nordic countries aka Pohjoismaat does include Finland, Scandinavia does not.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoIt's not black and white, because the term is used for both culture and geography, and I say that as arguably-Scandinavian myself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Use_of_Nordic_countries_vs._Scandinavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Use_of_Nordic_coun...
- jpkeisala 7y agoThis Wikipedia link actually describes it well. I am originally from Finland but been living abroad most of my life. After few years abroad I learned that there is no use to correct people "Finland is not Scandianvia" because apart from Finland and actual Scandinavia rest of the world says Scandinavia.
- BurningFrog 7y agoScandinavians usually include Finland in the term. Though some do insist on that distinction. They're kinda right, but don't get invited to parties.
- lb1lf 7y agoCame here to say this. Also, the Red Army liberated the northernmost part of Norway (Which, incidentally, also is the easternmost - the town of Kirkenes lies to the east of Istanbul) in the autumn of 1944; they quietly left in the autumn of 1945. From what I've been told by my grandmother, who along with a lot of other locals had dodged the forced evacuation ordered by the retreating Germans and hid for weeks in mines outside the town, cooperation with the Red Army was excellent, with very little friction - to the extent that when rebuilding of Finnmark started (the retreating Germans having blown up everything they couldn't burn!), some construction materials were shipped in from the Soviet Union, which presumably had enough rebuilding to do on their own turf...