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This is legal slave labour.

by kdtsh 7y ago

forkexec 7y ago
The 13th amendment loophole expressly permits slavery of prisoners. 13 a never ended the practice, it just hid it from the public and claimed to end it. And Lincoln is an overly-lionized figure that the vast majority of people are brainwashed to ignore the facts because of a totem fetish. Prisons are the modern plantations and corporations are the plantation owners.
- gowld 7y ago
  Can a "loophole" be "expressly"? It's not a trick, it's a straightforward statement of the author's intent. It's a loophole that permits slavery of non-prisoners by virtue of a corrupt prosecution and jail system that puts people in prison for longer than they deserve and then extends their sentences unreasonably for in-prison violations, allowing slave labor dor the duration of their excessive imprisonment. Most modern prison labor isn't even "slavery" under the 13th. It's using a different loophole -- indentured servitude to reduce inflated sentences, and offering monopsonistically-suppressed wages and monopolistic "company town" prices for basic living supplies.
nitwit005 7y ago
Doing labor for the community is a feature of almost every system of criminal punishment. It at least sounds more enjoyable than traditional prison labor like breaking rocks for construction projects 10 hours a day, and the injuries that tended to go along with that.
- gowld 7y ago
  It needs to be considered in context -- Do the prisoners even get access to the value thet create for community? Are the prisoners serving sentences that are no longer than is just?
- kdtsh 7y ago
  You may be absolutely correct and it would still be legal slavery. This is also generally not labour for the community in the general sense - there is an entity drawing a profit from prison labour (the state if it’s a publicly owned prison, or the prison owners if it’s privately owned). What you describe would be community service, which you may be able to argue is not slavery (and I would say is also an acceptable form of punishment for some crimes if it reduces recidivism).
  - nitwit005 7y ago
    Mandatory community service is slavery if prison labor is. People aren't doing it willingly.

This is legal slave labour.

by kdtsh 7y ago

This is legal slave labour.

The 13th amendment loophole expressly permits slavery of prisoners. 13 a never ended the practice, it just hid it from the public and claimed to end it. And Lincoln is an overly-lionized figure that the vast majority of people are brainwashed to ignore the facts because of a totem fetish. Prisons are the modern plantations and corporations are the plantation owners.

gowld 7y ago
Can a "loophole" be "expressly"? It's not a trick, it's a straightforward statement of the author's intent. It's a loophole that permits slavery of non-prisoners by virtue of a corrupt prosecution and jail system that puts people in prison for longer than they deserve and then extends their sentences unreasonably for in-prison violations, allowing slave labor dor the duration of their excessive imprisonment. Most modern prison labor isn't even "slavery" under the 13th. It's using a different loophole -- indentured servitude to reduce inflated sentences, and offering monopsonistically-suppressed wages and monopolistic "company town" prices for basic living supplies.

nitwit005 7y ago

Doing labor for the community is a feature of almost every system of criminal punishment. It at least sounds more enjoyable than traditional prison labor like breaking rocks for construction projects 10 hours a day, and the injuries that tended to go along with that.

gowld 7y ago
It needs to be considered in context -- Do the prisoners even get access to the value thet create for community? Are the prisoners serving sentences that are no longer than is just?
kdtsh 7y ago
You may be absolutely correct and it would still be legal slavery. This is also generally not labour for the community in the general sense - there is an entity drawing a profit from prison labour (the state if it’s a publicly owned prison, or the prison owners if it’s privately owned). What you describe would be community service, which you may be able to argue is not slavery (and I would say is also an acceptable form of punishment for some crimes if it reduces recidivism).
- nitwit005 7y ago
  Mandatory community service is slavery if prison labor is. People aren't doing it willingly.