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We should be quarantining every city in the U.S. right now. You're 100% correct, and it's going to be just as bad here.

by fragsworth 7y ago

ppg677 7y ago
It might not be. Lower population density and a lack of public transportation. I would worry about NYC though.
- adrianN 7y ago
  Lots of workers who can't stay home when they're sick without losing their job though.
briandear 7y ago
When? I keep hearing that, but where is the evidence?
- dpau 7y ago
  no tests, no evidence
davidw 7y ago
Something we can all do as individuals is stop going out to unnecessary things. I'm avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms and large groups.
- mrexroad 7y ago
  ah, the joys of being deeply introverted. avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms, and large groups -- why, that's my ideal day.
  - pishpash 7y ago
    Not great when you know it's not a choice, introverted or not.
  - honestoHeminway 7y ago
    Turns out that mental health situations are just suvivor bias. He who is catatonically depressed is the one to wake up alone after the plague.
Ma8ee 7y ago
I think in the us something as simple as paid sick leave for all service workers could make a huge difference.
- newtoday 7y ago
  In the past 5 days, some organizations who can afford it have shut down offices and are providing just that. I'm not at liberty to expose info on who, because I'm not sure it's been made public or not.
  - alasdair_ 7y ago
    I also work for one such organization.
  - Ma8ee 7y ago
    Are any those organisations like Walmart or McDonalds that employ a lot of people who often don’t have any savings and any margins at all?
    - newtoday 7y ago
      Definitely not. When common franchise chains close, and people can't work, nor shop, is when it will be too late, and dire.
      - Ma8ee 7y ago
        Maybe not necessary to close the whole shop, just make the workers with symptoms afford to stay away.
  - hef19898 7y ago
    So, assuming you won't name the org you are working at, what prevents you from naming some of the others?
baddox 7y ago
Now long would you maintain that quarantine? Is there some amount of time after which the virus will go away? Any call for drastic measures, even when drastic measures seem like common sense to some people, need to explain why the measures should be implemented and under what circumstances they should be lifted.
- Jedd 7y ago
  I concur with GP - but here in Australia we're run by fantasists, so it's not going to happen here either. > Now long would you maintain that quarantine? I'd suggest start with 2 weeks, and reassess after 10 days. I note that in TFA Italy's administration extended this (initially) out to the 3rd of April, which seems like a reasonable timeframe. Incarcerated people rioted ... and a churlish part of my brain suggests that's just to be expected, but each nation state can learn from, and put more effort into educating than, the earlier pioneers. > Is there some amount of time after which the virus will go away? We don't really know - but it sounds like a rhetorical question(?). I know that I'd be happy with a two week lockdown - option to renew - here in AU ... especially if it reduced my chance of dying. The numbers cited in TFA are suggesting a 3% mortality rate now, and massive propagation rates and embarrassingly poor treatment / survival rates even in a first world country early on in the pandemic cycle. > Any call for drastic measures, even when drastic measures seem like common sense to some people, need to explain why the measures should be implemented and under what circumstances they should be lifted. I'd invert your usage of the precautionary principle and ask, given what we know so far, why the default response isn't to shut down non-essential travel and public events for a couple of weeks. I mean, what's your acceptable ratio of dead people : inconvenienced live people?
  - LoSboccacc 7y ago
    most people outside of the previous red zone is uncaring about the new emergency restrictions step 1 should have been to bring military in the streets to enforce the thing, because police is both decimated by the virus and overwhelmed from the new responsibilities and cannot handle what's happening
Bombthecat 7y ago
I think worse. But i askari think it will go exactly like the Spanish flu. We will have a second wave which will also kill the younger.
- hef19898 7y ago
  Why would you think that? By the way, the Spanish was harsh on younger generations in all cases.
  - Bombthecat 7y ago
    Nope, the first wave of the flu only killed older people and people with a low immune system. Just like the corona virus. The Spanish flu hit in three waves. The first like this one. The second wave hit the younger. The third wave hit the rest.

We should be quarantining every city in the U.S. right now. You're 100% correct, and it's going to be just as bad here.

ppg677 7y ago

It might not be. Lower population density and a lack of public transportation. I would worry about NYC though.

adrianN 7y ago
Lots of workers who can't stay home when they're sick without losing their job though.

briandear 7y ago

When? I keep hearing that, but where is the evidence?

dpau 7y ago
no tests, no evidence

davidw 7y ago

Something we can all do as individuals is stop going out to unnecessary things. I'm avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms and large groups.

mrexroad 7y ago
ah, the joys of being deeply introverted. avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms, and large groups -- why, that's my ideal day.
- pishpash 7y ago
  Not great when you know it's not a choice, introverted or not.
- honestoHeminway 7y ago
  Turns out that mental health situations are just suvivor bias. He who is catatonically depressed is the one to wake up alone after the plague.

Ma8ee 7y ago

I think in the us something as simple as paid sick leave for all service workers could make a huge difference.

newtoday 7y ago
In the past 5 days, some organizations who can afford it have shut down offices and are providing just that. I'm not at liberty to expose info on who, because I'm not sure it's been made public or not.
- alasdair_ 7y ago
  I also work for one such organization.
- Ma8ee 7y ago
  Are any those organisations like Walmart or McDonalds that employ a lot of people who often don’t have any savings and any margins at all?
  - newtoday 7y ago
    Definitely not. When common franchise chains close, and people can't work, nor shop, is when it will be too late, and dire.
    - Ma8ee 7y ago
      Maybe not necessary to close the whole shop, just make the workers with symptoms afford to stay away.
- hef19898 7y ago
  So, assuming you won't name the org you are working at, what prevents you from naming some of the others?

baddox 7y ago

Now long would you maintain that quarantine? Is there some amount of time after which the virus will go away? Any call for drastic measures, even when drastic measures seem like common sense to some people, need to explain why the measures should be implemented and under what circumstances they should be lifted.

Jedd 7y ago
I concur with GP - but here in Australia we're run by fantasists, so it's not going to happen here either. > Now long would you maintain that quarantine? I'd suggest start with 2 weeks, and reassess after 10 days. I note that in TFA Italy's administration extended this (initially) out to the 3rd of April, which seems like a reasonable timeframe. Incarcerated people rioted ... and a churlish part of my brain suggests that's just to be expected, but each nation state can learn from, and put more effort into educating than, the earlier pioneers. > Is there some amount of time after which the virus will go away? We don't really know - but it sounds like a rhetorical question(?). I know that I'd be happy with a two week lockdown - option to renew - here in AU ... especially if it reduced my chance of dying. The numbers cited in TFA are suggesting a 3% mortality rate now, and massive propagation rates and embarrassingly poor treatment / survival rates even in a first world country early on in the pandemic cycle. > Any call for drastic measures, even when drastic measures seem like common sense to some people, need to explain why the measures should be implemented and under what circumstances they should be lifted. I'd invert your usage of the precautionary principle and ask, given what we know so far, why the default response isn't to shut down non-essential travel and public events for a couple of weeks. I mean, what's your acceptable ratio of dead people : inconvenienced live people?
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  most people outside of the previous red zone is uncaring about the new emergency restrictions step 1 should have been to bring military in the streets to enforce the thing, because police is both decimated by the virus and overwhelmed from the new responsibilities and cannot handle what's happening

Bombthecat 7y ago

I think worse. But i askari think it will go exactly like the Spanish flu. We will have a second wave which will also kill the younger.

hef19898 7y ago
Why would you think that? By the way, the Spanish was harsh on younger generations in all cases.
- Bombthecat 7y ago
  Nope, the first wave of the flu only killed older people and people with a low immune system. Just like the corona virus. The Spanish flu hit in three waves. The first like this one. The second wave hit the younger. The third wave hit the rest.