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My favorite thing about the case is how he sued the government for $50 billion for violating his 2nd Amendment rights and preventing him from becoming the next

by ikeboy 7y ago

My favorite thing about the case is how he sued the government for $50 billion for violating his 2nd Amendment rights and preventing him from becoming the next Bill Gates while in prison, and also for missing out on teaching his little brother the true answer to the tabs v spaces debate. Every single word of that was true. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1121882678725357570 https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1121882678725357570 complaint at https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.513783/gov.uscourts.nysd.513783.2.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.513783... btw, the One True Answer is apparently: >I lost time mentoring and teaching my youngest brother programming as he attends college and most likely learns the wrong way to align braces and indent (the correct answer of tabs v. spaces is actually to use tabs but have the tabs insert spaces instead of \t).

kelnos 7y ago
> *... is actually to use tabs but have the tabs insert spaces instead of \t" So... spaces?
leshenka 7y ago
Oh no, not the tabs v spaces again
waterhouse 7y ago
Oh man. Page 11, form asks for "Prison Identification #", handwritten answer is "Slave #79471054". Page 12, defendants are Attorney General, DOJ, FBI, etc.: "Collectively, "The Federal Terrorists"". Page 13, says "There is no difference between pretrial detention for the legally innocent and federal incarceration for the legally guilty; pretrial detention is actually federal prison and is used to punish and coerce the innocent into pleading guilty—The government has legislated, through pretrial detention, that those who have not been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt can be sentenced to indefinite incarceration." He may have a point there. Page 15: "Current conditions of confinement are similar to conditions imposed under Nazi Germany by the SS and Gestapo to torture political prisoners with psychological punishment to inflict permanent damage including death." Well, let's not mince words here. Page 16 says "Total loss of income: $50,000,347,000". Grievances on page 16 include: "Exposure to 24/7 bright lights that cannot be turned off constitute torture and violate the 8th amendment". Page 20 (now it's typed rather than handwritten) says "No heat or A/C in cage" and "There was no heat in the building for a month from Thanksgiving to Christmas; resulted in sub 30s and formation of ice in the cell", and "Cells infested with rodents", and mentions sleep deprivation including the bright lights and "Every few hours at night COs come by with bright flash light to wake up plaintiff". Page 23 says "The United Nations considers 15 days of solitary confinement as torture—the plaintiff has spent 3 months and counting in solitary confinement, with no end date in sight". Page 23 also claims "Plaintiff is subjected to harsher conditions under "pretrial detention" than ALL convicted prisoners serving sentences under the BOP". Some of his complaints seem trollish, but others seem serious, and if that's being done to someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime, that seems worrying.
- greenyoda 7y ago
  > if that's being done to someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime, that seems worrying If that's being done to someone who has been convicted of a crime, it would still be horrible. The U.S. has a constitutional prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment" (8th Amendment), and we claim to be a country that upholds basic human rights. This is the kind of abuse our government would complain about if some other country subjected our citizens to it.
probably_wrong 7y ago
While I agree that those parts are funny, I would encourage people to read the entire complaint. In that same paragraph, for instance, you have some other, not-so-funny parts: > I've lost 40lbs as my health has severely deteriorated as has my parents' as the stress, frustration, and depression have affected more than just me. I receive no dental and minimal medical treatment for my congenital heart defect. I've lost all my hair and what remains is turning gray - and all before I turned 30. (Note that, while he didn't have much hair to begin with, court sketches do show him with gray hair[1]). Sure, some of the complaints he presents are not super reasonable, but some of the other ones definitely are. And I believe that, if someone asked me to "write every single complaint you have about your three-years arrest", I'm not sure I would fare a lot better. [1] https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/joshua-schulte.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200 https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/joshua-schulte...
- ikeboy 7y ago
  I respect the troll job, and it shows some level of intelligence, competence, and humor. I've read a decent number of pro se complaints, including some brought by prisoners, and you could do a lot worse. I don't know if he'll get anywhere with it, the case is stayed while the criminal case is going on, but I wish him the best of luck. Nobody deserves torture conditions, even if he's guilty of everything they accused him of. And frankly, if he hadn't included those parts, chances are I wouldn't have seen it, or wouldn't have remembered it and wouldn't post it here. If his goal was to get more attention to the torture allegations, that probably worked.

by ikeboy 7y ago

kelnos 7y ago

> *... is actually to use tabs but have the tabs insert spaces instead of \t" So... spaces?

leshenka 7y ago

Oh no, not the tabs v spaces again

waterhouse 7y ago

Oh man. Page 11, form asks for "Prison Identification #", handwritten answer is "Slave #79471054". Page 12, defendants are Attorney General, DOJ, FBI, etc.: "Collectively, "The Federal Terrorists"". Page 13, says "There is no difference between pretrial detention for the legally innocent and federal incarceration for the legally guilty; pretrial detention is actually federal prison and is used to punish and coerce the innocent into pleading guilty—The government has legislated, through pretrial detention, that those who have not been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt can be sentenced to indefinite incarceration." He may have a point there. Page 15: "Current conditions of confinement are similar to conditions imposed under Nazi Germany by the SS and Gestapo to torture political prisoners with psychological punishment to inflict permanent damage including death." Well, let's not mince words here. Page 16 says "Total loss of income: $50,000,347,000". Grievances on page 16 include: "Exposure to 24/7 bright lights that cannot be turned off constitute torture and violate the 8th amendment". Page 20 (now it's typed rather than handwritten) says "No heat or A/C in cage" and "There was no heat in the building for a month from Thanksgiving to Christmas; resulted in sub 30s and formation of ice in the cell", and "Cells infested with rodents", and mentions sleep deprivation including the bright lights and "Every few hours at night COs come by with bright flash light to wake up plaintiff". Page 23 says "The United Nations considers 15 days of solitary confinement as torture—the plaintiff has spent 3 months and counting in solitary confinement, with no end date in sight". Page 23 also claims "Plaintiff is subjected to harsher conditions under "pretrial detention" than ALL convicted prisoners serving sentences under the BOP". Some of his complaints seem trollish, but others seem serious, and if that's being done to someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime, that seems worrying.

greenyoda 7y ago
> if that's being done to someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime, that seems worrying If that's being done to someone who has been convicted of a crime, it would still be horrible. The U.S. has a constitutional prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment" (8th Amendment), and we claim to be a country that upholds basic human rights. This is the kind of abuse our government would complain about if some other country subjected our citizens to it.

probably_wrong 7y ago

While I agree that those parts are funny, I would encourage people to read the entire complaint. In that same paragraph, for instance, you have some other, not-so-funny parts: > I've lost 40lbs as my health has severely deteriorated as has my parents' as the stress, frustration, and depression have affected more than just me. I receive no dental and minimal medical treatment for my congenital heart defect. I've lost all my hair and what remains is turning gray - and all before I turned 30. (Note that, while he didn't have much hair to begin with, court sketches do show him with gray hair[1]). Sure, some of the complaints he presents are not super reasonable, but some of the other ones definitely are. And I believe that, if someone asked me to "write every single complaint you have about your three-years arrest", I'm not sure I would fare a lot better. [1] https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/joshua-schulte.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200 https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/joshua-schulte...

ikeboy 7y ago
I respect the troll job, and it shows some level of intelligence, competence, and humor. I've read a decent number of pro se complaints, including some brought by prisoners, and you could do a lot worse. I don't know if he'll get anywhere with it, the case is stayed while the criminal case is going on, but I wish him the best of luck. Nobody deserves torture conditions, even if he's guilty of everything they accused him of. And frankly, if he hadn't included those parts, chances are I wouldn't have seen it, or wouldn't have remembered it and wouldn't post it here. If his goal was to get more attention to the torture allegations, that probably worked.