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New York Is Making Its Own Hand Sanitizer – Using Prison Labor

21 points by mhb 7y ago

kdtsh 7y ago
This is legal slave labour.
- forkexec 7y ago
  The 13th amendment loophole expressly permits slavery of prisoners. 13 a never ended the practice, it just hid it from the public and claimed to end it. And Lincoln is an overly-lionized figure that the vast majority of people are brainwashed to ignore the facts because of a totem fetish. Prisons are the modern plantations and corporations are the plantation owners.
  - gowld 7y ago
    Can a "loophole" be "expressly"? It's not a trick, it's a straightforward statement of the author's intent. It's a loophole that permits slavery of non-prisoners by virtue of a corrupt prosecution and jail system that puts people in prison for longer than they deserve and then extends their sentences unreasonably for in-prison violations, allowing slave labor dor the duration of their excessive imprisonment. Most modern prison labor isn't even "slavery" under the 13th. It's using a different loophole -- indentured servitude to reduce inflated sentences, and offering monopsonistically-suppressed wages and monopolistic "company town" prices for basic living supplies.
- nitwit005 7y ago
  Doing labor for the community is a feature of almost every system of criminal punishment. It at least sounds more enjoyable than traditional prison labor like breaking rocks for construction projects 10 hours a day, and the injuries that tended to go along with that.
  - gowld 7y ago
    It needs to be considered in context -- Do the prisoners even get access to the value thet create for community? Are the prisoners serving sentences that are no longer than is just?
  - kdtsh 7y ago
    You may be absolutely correct and it would still be legal slavery. This is also generally not labour for the community in the general sense - there is an entity drawing a profit from prison labour (the state if it’s a publicly owned prison, or the prison owners if it’s privately owned). What you describe would be community service, which you may be able to argue is not slavery (and I would say is also an acceptable form of punishment for some crimes if it reduces recidivism).
    - nitwit005 7y ago
      Mandatory community service is slavery if prison labor is. People aren't doing it willingly.
iconjack 7y ago
win-win-win
- elliekelly 7y ago
  Unless you’re the person working a six hour day and still need one more shift to save up enough for the luxury of a Spicy Kung Pow Instant Noodle Bowl: http://www.efordcommissary.com/Pasta-Noodles_c_15.html http://www.efordcommissary.com/Pasta-Noodles_c_15.html
ezoe 7y ago
>Cuomo unveiled the “NYS Clean” hand sanitizer during a press conference, calling it superior to existing products thanks to its scent and alcohol content of 75%. That exceeds the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)’s recommendation of 60%. Umm, no, the alcohol doesn't work like that. 75% of alcohol is no better than 60%.
- gowld 7y ago
  Wikipedia mentions (with poor citations) 75%-90% as being best, balancing effectiveness and non-flammability. > (95% alcohol was seen to be most effective in eliminating most viruses). > 90% alcohol rubs are more effective against viruses than most other forms of hand washing > The World Health Organization has published a guide: > 80% ethanol or 75% isopropanol > 95% alcohol was seen to be most effective in eliminating most viruses > 90% alcohol rubs are highly flammable, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer

21 points by mhb 7y ago

kdtsh 7y ago

This is legal slave labour.

forkexec 7y ago
The 13th amendment loophole expressly permits slavery of prisoners. 13 a never ended the practice, it just hid it from the public and claimed to end it. And Lincoln is an overly-lionized figure that the vast majority of people are brainwashed to ignore the facts because of a totem fetish. Prisons are the modern plantations and corporations are the plantation owners.
- gowld 7y ago
  Can a "loophole" be "expressly"? It's not a trick, it's a straightforward statement of the author's intent. It's a loophole that permits slavery of non-prisoners by virtue of a corrupt prosecution and jail system that puts people in prison for longer than they deserve and then extends their sentences unreasonably for in-prison violations, allowing slave labor dor the duration of their excessive imprisonment. Most modern prison labor isn't even "slavery" under the 13th. It's using a different loophole -- indentured servitude to reduce inflated sentences, and offering monopsonistically-suppressed wages and monopolistic "company town" prices for basic living supplies.
nitwit005 7y ago
Doing labor for the community is a feature of almost every system of criminal punishment. It at least sounds more enjoyable than traditional prison labor like breaking rocks for construction projects 10 hours a day, and the injuries that tended to go along with that.
- gowld 7y ago
  It needs to be considered in context -- Do the prisoners even get access to the value thet create for community? Are the prisoners serving sentences that are no longer than is just?
- kdtsh 7y ago
  You may be absolutely correct and it would still be legal slavery. This is also generally not labour for the community in the general sense - there is an entity drawing a profit from prison labour (the state if it’s a publicly owned prison, or the prison owners if it’s privately owned). What you describe would be community service, which you may be able to argue is not slavery (and I would say is also an acceptable form of punishment for some crimes if it reduces recidivism).
  - nitwit005 7y ago
    Mandatory community service is slavery if prison labor is. People aren't doing it willingly.

iconjack 7y ago

win-win-win

elliekelly 7y ago
Unless you’re the person working a six hour day and still need one more shift to save up enough for the luxury of a Spicy Kung Pow Instant Noodle Bowl: http://www.efordcommissary.com/Pasta-Noodles_c_15.html http://www.efordcommissary.com/Pasta-Noodles_c_15.html

ezoe 7y ago

>Cuomo unveiled the “NYS Clean” hand sanitizer during a press conference, calling it superior to existing products thanks to its scent and alcohol content of 75%. That exceeds the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)’s recommendation of 60%. Umm, no, the alcohol doesn't work like that. 75% of alcohol is no better than 60%.

gowld 7y ago
Wikipedia mentions (with poor citations) 75%-90% as being best, balancing effectiveness and non-flammability. > (95% alcohol was seen to be most effective in eliminating most viruses). > 90% alcohol rubs are more effective against viruses than most other forms of hand washing > The World Health Organization has published a guide: > 80% ethanol or 75% isopropanol > 95% alcohol was seen to be most effective in eliminating most viruses > 90% alcohol rubs are highly flammable, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer