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For anybody living in quarantined areas of Italy. How much has your daily life been affected?

nick2k3 7y ago
writing from Pavia(Lombardia), 15 min of drive from the city where the first cases have developed. There is less people on the street but still too many people conducting normal life, taking public transport or having drinks etc in crowded places. These new measures are meant to force to change lifestyle and be more conscious of the risks. Daily life has changed in that you stay at home, work at home,think twice every time you need to go to the store: do I really need it? It's a possible vehicle of contagion, do I really need to get out? Being stuck at home is not easy but neighter as easy nor as terrible as some would think: it simply has to be done.
idiocratic 7y ago
Lockdown in Italy is a concept that is difficult to enforce. And it's probably very different to what it means in China or even just South Korea or any other more organised and centrally governed country in Europe like France. But in essence: Schools are closed until next month. People can still move around freely for work reasons, and in general people still work in offices. Bars and restaurants close after 18pm. Shops are closed only on weekends. People over 65 have free deliveries from most supermarkets, but very few use them. Big groups of people are not allowed outside public places. The social structure in Italy is still very much based on families, so people will remain with their close relatives and go out for a walk around home.
- greggyb 7y ago
  Completely random and off-topic. I'm in the US and used to 12-hour time. I personally prefer 24-hour time, and am comfortable with 18:00 or similar for a time indicator. I don't know that I've ever seen a 24-hour time with am/pm attached to it. Is this common?
  - J_cst 7y ago
    not at all, it just seems a misprint / little error
  - giuscri 7y ago
    No, at least not in Italy. In fact, I don't think it makes any sense.
  - HelloNurse 7y ago
    Just a bit of redundancy, to compensate USA Covid-19 tests.
  - idiocratic 7y ago
    You're right. My mistake.
  - technothrasher 7y ago
    To feed off your random comment, I live in the US as well but switched all of my clocks (that I was able to) over to 24-hour time a few years ago. It just makes more sense to me. But everybody around me thinks I'm some sort of weirdo for it.
    - Marsymars 7y ago
      I've got a handful of software (Skype, my ereader) that don't have 24h time options. Super annoying, especially for software where all they'd have to do is use the OS time convention.
      - ygra 7y ago
        I've found that a lot of software that moved to Electron or similar solutions has trouble adhering to OS settings. Heck, even Chrome ignores my date format in the history tag. That's what you get with a technology that's not really supposed to interact with the user's OS settings much.
    - cowmoo728 7y ago
      I switched everything I could to C, km, 24 hour time, and YYYY-MM-DD. US social conventions around measurements are just obtuse.
J_cst 7y ago
I have been reviewing the situation with a colleague of mine, and we have now realized that the new measures are not enough. It makes no sense to allow burger king or any bar to stay open util 6 p.m. And it makes no sense to allow to go to work for any undeferrable (or also deferrable) reason. The only effective measure seems logically to be quarantine, and for me and my family (2+2), from tomorrow afternoon quarantine will be. The government will finally arrive to the same conclusion, but a later stage. At the moment they seem to be still trying to balance the counteracting of the epidemic and the economic damage, but to us that's not the correct thing to do.
- Rapzid 7y ago
  I believe it's largely political posturing at this point in every country.
  - loopz 7y ago
    It's being modelled and shaping policies. It makes no sense to try to stop it, cease all activity. That's too late, difficult and costly. But it makes sense to delay and spread it over time. So measures need to be, imperfect.
    - Rapzid 7y ago
      I can see the sense in slowing the spread to help the medical system cope.
- afiori 7y ago
  The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Even assuming all office workers work remote basic social structure will be endangered. The hospitals need to stay open, people need to keep operating water and electricity utilities, food distribution needs to continue as many do not have 14 days of stock at home. It is not about those dams politician that only care about reelection numbers, it also about keeping the wheel of society turning. To say nothing of how much total hysteria that would cause.
napolux 7y ago
Italian here: not really a lockdown, we can go to work and the country discovered remote working. Supermarkets are open, pharmacies too. No shortage of goods except surgical masks
thefz 7y ago
So far, nothing has changed except there's less and less people in the streets. Tomorrow I'm commuting to work as usual.
pmontra 7y ago
It's hard or impossible to meet with friends, especially if living in distant places. Think living before cars. No dinners at restaurants. Probably no take aways after 6 pm. Dinner is usually at 8 or 9 pm here. It's difficult to practice sports, except running or whatever you can do at home. Everything else is normal. I already worked from home, self employed.
C19is20 7y ago
N.italy, all ok. Less people around, shops ok: i withdraw cash every day, rather than waiting for the gov to do it for me. Which they will, then they'll find a away [o line their pockets with it. Nb never voted, never will, but italians are already being political about this. Seen a few comments here, too. The real impact will be when the rest of eu gets hit. At least day2day italians know you can't blame any single person/ location as you don't know how you'll get infected.
- IAmEveryone 7y ago
  If you don’t vote, you don’t get to complain.
polyterative 7y ago
Developer here, we now work in separate rooms in the office. Gotta work remotely if someone gets infected I guess. My train to work is 10% the usual people. Social life is voip only now. Groceries are still easy to get, even If there's 3x the people at the queues. People with children have to work from home if they can, schools are closed

writing from Pavia(Lombardia), 15 min of drive from the city where the first cases have developed. There is less people on the street but still too many people conducting normal life, taking public transport or having drinks etc in crowded places. These new measures are meant to force to change lifestyle and be more conscious of the risks. Daily life has changed in that you stay at home, work at home,think twice every time you need to go to the store: do I really need it? It's a possible vehicle of contagion, do I really need to get out? Being stuck at home is not easy but neighter as easy nor as terrible as some would think: it simply has to be done.

idiocratic 7y ago

Lockdown in Italy is a concept that is difficult to enforce. And it's probably very different to what it means in China or even just South Korea or any other more organised and centrally governed country in Europe like France. But in essence: Schools are closed until next month. People can still move around freely for work reasons, and in general people still work in offices. Bars and restaurants close after 18pm. Shops are closed only on weekends. People over 65 have free deliveries from most supermarkets, but very few use them. Big groups of people are not allowed outside public places. The social structure in Italy is still very much based on families, so people will remain with their close relatives and go out for a walk around home.

greggyb 7y ago
Completely random and off-topic. I'm in the US and used to 12-hour time. I personally prefer 24-hour time, and am comfortable with 18:00 or similar for a time indicator. I don't know that I've ever seen a 24-hour time with am/pm attached to it. Is this common?
- J_cst 7y ago
  not at all, it just seems a misprint / little error
- giuscri 7y ago
  No, at least not in Italy. In fact, I don't think it makes any sense.
- HelloNurse 7y ago
  Just a bit of redundancy, to compensate USA Covid-19 tests.
- idiocratic 7y ago
  You're right. My mistake.
- technothrasher 7y ago
  To feed off your random comment, I live in the US as well but switched all of my clocks (that I was able to) over to 24-hour time a few years ago. It just makes more sense to me. But everybody around me thinks I'm some sort of weirdo for it.
  - Marsymars 7y ago
    I've got a handful of software (Skype, my ereader) that don't have 24h time options. Super annoying, especially for software where all they'd have to do is use the OS time convention.
    - ygra 7y ago
      I've found that a lot of software that moved to Electron or similar solutions has trouble adhering to OS settings. Heck, even Chrome ignores my date format in the history tag. That's what you get with a technology that's not really supposed to interact with the user's OS settings much.
  - cowmoo728 7y ago
    I switched everything I could to C, km, 24 hour time, and YYYY-MM-DD. US social conventions around measurements are just obtuse.

J_cst 7y ago

I have been reviewing the situation with a colleague of mine, and we have now realized that the new measures are not enough. It makes no sense to allow burger king or any bar to stay open util 6 p.m. And it makes no sense to allow to go to work for any undeferrable (or also deferrable) reason. The only effective measure seems logically to be quarantine, and for me and my family (2+2), from tomorrow afternoon quarantine will be. The government will finally arrive to the same conclusion, but a later stage. At the moment they seem to be still trying to balance the counteracting of the epidemic and the economic damage, but to us that's not the correct thing to do.

Rapzid 7y ago
I believe it's largely political posturing at this point in every country.
- loopz 7y ago
  It's being modelled and shaping policies. It makes no sense to try to stop it, cease all activity. That's too late, difficult and costly. But it makes sense to delay and spread it over time. So measures need to be, imperfect.
  - Rapzid 7y ago
    I can see the sense in slowing the spread to help the medical system cope.
afiori 7y ago
The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Even assuming all office workers work remote basic social structure will be endangered. The hospitals need to stay open, people need to keep operating water and electricity utilities, food distribution needs to continue as many do not have 14 days of stock at home. It is not about those dams politician that only care about reelection numbers, it also about keeping the wheel of society turning. To say nothing of how much total hysteria that would cause.

napolux 7y ago

Italian here: not really a lockdown, we can go to work and the country discovered remote working. Supermarkets are open, pharmacies too. No shortage of goods except surgical masks

thefz 7y ago

So far, nothing has changed except there's less and less people in the streets. Tomorrow I'm commuting to work as usual.

pmontra 7y ago

It's hard or impossible to meet with friends, especially if living in distant places. Think living before cars. No dinners at restaurants. Probably no take aways after 6 pm. Dinner is usually at 8 or 9 pm here. It's difficult to practice sports, except running or whatever you can do at home. Everything else is normal. I already worked from home, self employed.

C19is20 7y ago

N.italy, all ok. Less people around, shops ok: i withdraw cash every day, rather than waiting for the gov to do it for me. Which they will, then they'll find a away [o line their pockets with it. Nb never voted, never will, but italians are already being political about this. Seen a few comments here, too. The real impact will be when the rest of eu gets hit. At least day2day italians know you can't blame any single person/ location as you don't know how you'll get infected.

IAmEveryone 7y ago
If you don’t vote, you don’t get to complain.

polyterative 7y ago

Developer here, we now work in separate rooms in the office. Gotta work remotely if someone gets infected I guess. My train to work is 10% the usual people. Social life is voip only now. Groceries are still easy to get, even If there's 3x the people at the queues. People with children have to work from home if they can, schools are closed