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Oops that was what I meant! Thanks for the recommendations. Do you know if there are any books that are inspired by (or squeals of a sort) to Phoenix Project?

by raybb 7y ago

Jtsummers 7y ago
I am not aware of anything that is a sequel to The Phoenix Project itself. In many ways, it seems to be almost the conclusion of the idea of agile/lean software development borrowing from the classical ideas of ToC, Lean, Toyota Production System, etc. If you want more readings that are not novels, but cover translating the ideas from manufacturing/production to IT and software development I'd suggest any books by Mary and Tom Poppendieck [0] and to explore their "bookshelf" [1]. The bookshelf is in reverse chronological order, so don't take the order to be an indication of anything positive or negative. [0] http://www.poppendieck.com/people.htm http://www.poppendieck.com/people.htm [1] http://www.poppendieck.com/reference.htm http://www.poppendieck.com/reference.htm
- raybb 7y ago
  Funny you mentioned Mary and Tom Poppendieck as I just saw them for the first recently at the O'Reilly Software Architecture Conf. Are they quite well known in the field or is this just coincidence?
  - Jtsummers 7y ago
    I think they're pretty well-known, but my part of industry likes to pretend that nothing has changed since 1985. So I'm busy reading what I can and dragging us into the modern era. I came across them via references from some other book or site. I don't recall where, now.
4x5-Guy 7y ago
There is the Unicorn Project by Gene Kim that was just released earlier this year. I believe it is a sequel to the Phoenix Project.
cebulasoftware 7y ago
The author of Phoenix Project released a companion/sequel piece titled 'The Unicorn Project'. Same series of events, but from the PoV of a sr swe / tech lead. I'd recommended reading through all or half of Pheonix and then moving to Unicorn. I found lots of value in both

Oops that was what I meant! Thanks for the recommendations. Do you know if there are any books that are inspired by (or squeals of a sort) to Phoenix Project?

by raybb 7y ago

Oops that was what I meant! Thanks for the recommendations. Do you know if there are any books that are inspired by (or squeals of a sort) to Phoenix Project?

Jtsummers 7y ago

I am not aware of anything that is a sequel to The Phoenix Project itself. In many ways, it seems to be almost the conclusion of the idea of agile/lean software development borrowing from the classical ideas of ToC, Lean, Toyota Production System, etc. If you want more readings that are not novels, but cover translating the ideas from manufacturing/production to IT and software development I'd suggest any books by Mary and Tom Poppendieck [0] and to explore their "bookshelf" [1]. The bookshelf is in reverse chronological order, so don't take the order to be an indication of anything positive or negative. [0] http://www.poppendieck.com/people.htm http://www.poppendieck.com/people.htm [1] http://www.poppendieck.com/reference.htm http://www.poppendieck.com/reference.htm

raybb 7y ago
Funny you mentioned Mary and Tom Poppendieck as I just saw them for the first recently at the O'Reilly Software Architecture Conf. Are they quite well known in the field or is this just coincidence?
- Jtsummers 7y ago
  I think they're pretty well-known, but my part of industry likes to pretend that nothing has changed since 1985. So I'm busy reading what I can and dragging us into the modern era. I came across them via references from some other book or site. I don't recall where, now.

4x5-Guy 7y ago

There is the Unicorn Project by Gene Kim that was just released earlier this year. I believe it is a sequel to the Phoenix Project.

cebulasoftware 7y ago

The author of Phoenix Project released a companion/sequel piece titled 'The Unicorn Project'. Same series of events, but from the PoV of a sr swe / tech lead. I'd recommended reading through all or half of Pheonix and then moving to Unicorn. I found lots of value in both