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US fertility rate is approx. 1.8, well below population sustainability. If it weren't for immigration (a political policy question), the US would have negative

US fertility rate is approx. 1.8, well below population sustainability. If it weren't for immigration (a political policy question), the US would have negative population growth too.

pjkundert 7y ago
We’re about to discover that uncontrolled immigration != societal regeneration, unfortunately.
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  Is that why American society declined in the early 20th century when there were effectively open borders? Oh wait, no it didn’t.
  - pjkundert 7y ago
    A 3-month harrowing journey into unforeseen circumstances is an excellent filter, indeed. Please do not be flippant or purposely obtuse.
    - itsameta4 7y ago
      Like, for instance, thousands of miles through the desert? Or are only sea voyages from Europe harrowing enough?
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      Please do not be flippant or purposely obtuse. If you're saying this, the real conversation is taking place over your head.
- thereare5lights 7y ago
  Immigration is more controlled today than it was in the past.
cletus 7y ago
Not too be too glib but this reminds me of one of my pet truisms: "If things were different, then things would be different." Japan is way more insular than the US [1]. You can theorize about what might happen if we didn't have net immigration but it's largely irrelevant because we do. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/world/insular-japan-needs-but-resists-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/world/insular-japan-needs...
- RhodesianHunter 7y ago
  It isn't irrelevant because it's a constant battle and has been significantly curtailed under the current administration.
Robotbeat 7y ago
It's crazy to me that so many generally pro-business folks have suddenly turned against immigration in the US. It's pretty much the US's best bet at continued above-OECD-average economic growth (until the rest of the world becomes middle class). And the US is, culturally (well, mythologically) pretty pro-immigration and generally good at integration. sigh
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
  Without population growth, the economy won't grow as quickly, sure. It may even shrink. But does that matter per capita? I'm curious how population dynamics has effected Japan on an individual financial level.

US fertility rate is approx. 1.8, well below population sustainability. If it weren't for immigration (a political policy question), the US would have negative population growth too.

pjkundert 7y ago

We’re about to discover that uncontrolled immigration != societal regeneration, unfortunately.

akhilcacharya 7y ago
Is that why American society declined in the early 20th century when there were effectively open borders? Oh wait, no it didn’t.
- pjkundert 7y ago
  A 3-month harrowing journey into unforeseen circumstances is an excellent filter, indeed. Please do not be flippant or purposely obtuse.
  - itsameta4 7y ago
    Like, for instance, thousands of miles through the desert? Or are only sea voyages from Europe harrowing enough?
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    Please do not be flippant or purposely obtuse. If you're saying this, the real conversation is taking place over your head.
thereare5lights 7y ago
Immigration is more controlled today than it was in the past.

cletus 7y ago

Not too be too glib but this reminds me of one of my pet truisms: "If things were different, then things would be different." Japan is way more insular than the US [1]. You can theorize about what might happen if we didn't have net immigration but it's largely irrelevant because we do. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/world/insular-japan-needs-but-resists-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/world/insular-japan-needs...

RhodesianHunter 7y ago
It isn't irrelevant because it's a constant battle and has been significantly curtailed under the current administration.

Robotbeat 7y ago

It's crazy to me that so many generally pro-business folks have suddenly turned against immigration in the US. It's pretty much the US's best bet at continued above-OECD-average economic growth (until the rest of the world becomes middle class). And the US is, culturally (well, mythologically) pretty pro-immigration and generally good at integration. sigh

6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
Without population growth, the economy won't grow as quickly, sure. It may even shrink. But does that matter per capita? I'm curious how population dynamics has effected Japan on an individual financial level.