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Why would you trust it less than the American one?

by lucian1900 7y ago

bilekas 7y ago
Personally I would want as many sources as possible, but I think it's safe to say that the Chinese authoroties, in the beginning at least, have not been the bastion of truth. Then again, nor have the US been entirely open about the situation. But that's more the ramblings of an old senile man.
- hello_moto 7y ago
  There is almost _NO_ countries are honest regarding the situation. Iran => not open US => Messed up China initially messed up Even countries in S.E. Asia tried to cover up the issue/numbers of infected people.
  - bilekas 7y ago
    South Korea seem quite open about the mess, even Italy.. Do you have maybe some references to the others the same way there was evidence of China's ?
    - hello_moto 7y ago
      Indonesia, for the longest time, boasted (yes, they, the govt, the health minister, literally boasted) to have zero Covid.19. The moment the country found out that they have 2 Covid.19, they acted as-if the current administration was "ready" and threw an elaborate press conference detailing the steps to track down the infected patients only to be ousted by the patients themselves. This is the news about how the Indonesian government "was ready to track" and ensure "proper steps" were taken: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/first-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-indonesia-amid-fears-nation-is-ill-prepared-for-outbreak https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/first-coronavi... This is the rebuttal from the infected patient themselves (This source is from the #1 newspaper in the country): https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2020/03/05/09025741/sejumlah-pernyataan-pemerintah-yang-dibantah-pasien-positif-corona https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2020/03/05/09025741/sejumla... Essentially they're saying that "no, the govt didn't track down coronavirus, we went to the hospital and check ourselves as soon as we heard about our dance partner who was positive". You need to talk to the locals regarding these news to learn the nuances/truth. We can't rely on NYTimes, BBC, or any international medias. I can understand why Government "tries" to act as if they're ready because they don't want the citizens to be panicking and creating further chaos. They (the govt) have no choice but to lie. Take a look at Los Angeles Costco news recently.
vernie 7y ago
cHiNA
TulliusCicero 7y ago
Is it not obvious? For all its various faults, the US government isn't known for endless constant censorship of the press and social media for anything it doesn't like. There's no US equivalent to the Great Firewall. China will censor "Winnie the Pooh" because it must tame any criticism of its Dear Leader, meanwhile you can compare Trump to any number of fictional or real characters and nothing will happen.
- throwaway9878 7y ago
  Untrue. You will be jailed, harassed, ridiculed, or killed in the Western world for questioning holocaust evidence because doing so would completely undermine the ideological basis of leadership in the West.
  - dTal 7y ago
    You will be ridiculed by your peers, not the government, because the reality of the holocaust is very well documented, and deniers are suspected of motivated reasoning. But jailed or killed? I highly doubt that. They aren't comparable in the slightest.
    - hinkley 7y ago
      The 1st Amendment protects your right to say anything you want. But it also protects my right to call you an idiot for saying it.
  - jshevek 7y ago
    >You will be jailed... in the Western world for questioning holocaust evidence The context defining claims related to the US and China, not Germany. You will not be jailed in the US for questioning the Holocaust. > harassed, ridiculed Ok, but still not relevant to the conversation > Killed I hesitate to go further off topic, but do you have a citation for this claim?
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't do this here.

Why would you trust it less than the American one?

Personally I would want as many sources as possible, but I think it's safe to say that the Chinese authoroties, in the beginning at least, have not been the bastion of truth. Then again, nor have the US been entirely open about the situation. But that's more the ramblings of an old senile man.

hello_moto 7y ago
There is almost _NO_ countries are honest regarding the situation. Iran => not open US => Messed up China initially messed up Even countries in S.E. Asia tried to cover up the issue/numbers of infected people.
- bilekas 7y ago
  South Korea seem quite open about the mess, even Italy.. Do you have maybe some references to the others the same way there was evidence of China's ?
  - hello_moto 7y ago
    Indonesia, for the longest time, boasted (yes, they, the govt, the health minister, literally boasted) to have zero Covid.19. The moment the country found out that they have 2 Covid.19, they acted as-if the current administration was "ready" and threw an elaborate press conference detailing the steps to track down the infected patients only to be ousted by the patients themselves. This is the news about how the Indonesian government "was ready to track" and ensure "proper steps" were taken: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/first-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-indonesia-amid-fears-nation-is-ill-prepared-for-outbreak https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/first-coronavi... This is the rebuttal from the infected patient themselves (This source is from the #1 newspaper in the country): https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2020/03/05/09025741/sejumlah-pernyataan-pemerintah-yang-dibantah-pasien-positif-corona https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2020/03/05/09025741/sejumla... Essentially they're saying that "no, the govt didn't track down coronavirus, we went to the hospital and check ourselves as soon as we heard about our dance partner who was positive". You need to talk to the locals regarding these news to learn the nuances/truth. We can't rely on NYTimes, BBC, or any international medias. I can understand why Government "tries" to act as if they're ready because they don't want the citizens to be panicking and creating further chaos. They (the govt) have no choice but to lie. Take a look at Los Angeles Costco news recently.

vernie 7y ago

cHiNA

TulliusCicero 7y ago

Is it not obvious? For all its various faults, the US government isn't known for endless constant censorship of the press and social media for anything it doesn't like. There's no US equivalent to the Great Firewall. China will censor "Winnie the Pooh" because it must tame any criticism of its Dear Leader, meanwhile you can compare Trump to any number of fictional or real characters and nothing will happen.

throwaway9878 7y ago
Untrue. You will be jailed, harassed, ridiculed, or killed in the Western world for questioning holocaust evidence because doing so would completely undermine the ideological basis of leadership in the West.
- dTal 7y ago
  You will be ridiculed by your peers, not the government, because the reality of the holocaust is very well documented, and deniers are suspected of motivated reasoning. But jailed or killed? I highly doubt that. They aren't comparable in the slightest.
  - hinkley 7y ago
    The 1st Amendment protects your right to say anything you want. But it also protects my right to call you an idiot for saying it.
- jshevek 7y ago
  >You will be jailed... in the Western world for questioning holocaust evidence The context defining claims related to the US and China, not Germany. You will not be jailed in the US for questioning the Holocaust. > harassed, ridiculed Ok, but still not relevant to the conversation > Killed I hesitate to go further off topic, but do you have a citation for this claim?
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't do this here.