The problem is also that you encounter K/APL in these circumstance, hardcore math functions or ad hoc queries. I'd say that most languages look their worst in t

The problem is also that you encounter K/APL in these circumstance, hardcore math functions or ad hoc queries. I'd say that most languages look their worst in these circumstances, deeply nested for loops for e.g. 3D math in C aren't exactly instantly clear either. Once you see e.g. input verification or other more "tedious" parts of programs, things get decidedly less cryptic. And less optimized/concise, of course. A bit like the people who complain about GUI hello world programs taking 10 lines.