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bitches I cannot explain how much the injection of this in current use irks me. Is this lack of civility, and appalling misogyny, really needed for satisfying

by ableal 16y ago

bitches I cannot explain how much the injection of this in current use irks me. Is this lack of civility, and appalling misogyny, really needed for satisfying self-expression nowadays?

RyanHolliday 16y ago
Is this overreaction and appalling misuse of the word "misogyny" really needed for satisfying self-expression nowadays?
- anthonyb 16y ago
  Why is it not misogyny? Would you drop the phrase "Sorry, niggers." so casually into conversation? Probably not (after all, it's racist), but it still uses a segment of society in derogatory fashion.
  - burgerbrain 16y ago
    The meanings of words change over time, get the fuck over it. People like you were complaining about the common usage of "damn" years ago too.
    - anthonyb 16y ago
      Nice ad-hominem there. "damn" is no longer an issue because most people aren't terribly religious nowadays, at least not enough for people to censor themselves. That's not the case for "bitch".
      - burgerbrain 16y ago
        You can only take offense, not give it. Nobody can be responsible for your feelings but yourself.
        anthonyb 16y ago
        That's hair splitting terminology. If you say or do something which you know the majority of people will find offensive, then that's effectively giving offense. You didn't answer the original question, either: would you drop the phrase "Sorry, nigger." into casual conversation? If not, why not?
        burgerbrain 16y ago
        Your question is irrelevant. The word being discussed is "bitch" or "bitches", which I most certainly do use often and causally. You are in charge of if you get offended. It is a decision you and only you can make.
        anthonyb 16y ago
        Hardly irrelevant - it's called reductio ad absurdum. If you limit yourself by not using certain words in conversation, then you're confirming that those words are generally offensive, and that using them would give offense. It's why the legal system has the concept of the "reasonable person", but I prefer "Do you talk to your mother with that mouth?"
        burgerbrain 16y ago
        The only reason I do not casually use the word nigger in public is because unlike god, HR departments appear to be omnipresent. "Do you talk to your mother with that mouth?" Yes, I do. And if that bothers you, kindly fuck off. You have no place telling me what I may or may not say in the presence of my mother. If an adult loses their temper in public, they are rightfully looked down upon. If an adult publicly becomes offended, I similarly look down upon them.
        anthonyb 16y ago
        Right - so you're a racist, misogynistic idiot who'd rather put up pithy one liners and tell me to fuck off than address the point. Glad we got that cleared up.
      - burgerbrain 16y ago
        I love the implication here that were more people religious these days, it would be improper to say "damn".
        billybob 16y ago
        Well, wouldn't it? "Improper" means "will offend people." If nobody is offended by something, it's not improper. If lots of people are, it is. Whether you care is a different matter. If you don't, that makes you a rude person. Which you're free to be, if you wish.
        burgerbrain 16y ago
        It's improper to not adhere to the religion of the majority? Are you nuts?
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  - RyanHolliday 16y ago
    It's not misogyny because, according to Merriam-Webster's 11th edition, misogyny means "a hatred of women," and the original comment wasn't about that at all. And it has nothing to do with a segment of society. You're complaining about someone half-jokingly calling us all whiny babies.
Pooter 16y ago
Why can't you explain it? Is it because your post is a bunch of poorly conceived bullshit? Is it because you don't really give any time to consider the intent of what's being said and the social context of the terms employed? Is it cause you're looking to be offended? If you can't provide some analysis of the origins of thoughts and feelings which are presumably your own, maybe you should keep them to yourself till you can.
- Pooter 16y ago
  If you're gonna disagree, have the courage to do so in writing.
danneu 16y ago
You're showing your disconnection with popular vernacular with your assertion. I'm 22 and girls around me call each other bitches casually (in a friendly, fun way) all the time. You certainly don't speak on the behalf of any women I know. Anyways, holla out to my HN bitches.

by ableal 16y ago

bitches I cannot explain how much the injection of this in current use irks me. Is this lack of civility, and appalling misogyny, really needed for satisfying self-expression nowadays?

RyanHolliday 16y ago

Is this overreaction and appalling misuse of the word "misogyny" really needed for satisfying self-expression nowadays?

anthonyb 16y ago
Why is it not misogyny? Would you drop the phrase "Sorry, niggers." so casually into conversation? Probably not (after all, it's racist), but it still uses a segment of society in derogatory fashion.
- burgerbrain 16y ago
  The meanings of words change over time, get the fuck over it. People like you were complaining about the common usage of "damn" years ago too.
  - anthonyb 16y ago
    Nice ad-hominem there. "damn" is no longer an issue because most people aren't terribly religious nowadays, at least not enough for people to censor themselves. That's not the case for "bitch".
    - burgerbrain 16y ago
      You can only take offense, not give it. Nobody can be responsible for your feelings but yourself.
      - anthonyb 16y ago
        That's hair splitting terminology. If you say or do something which you know the majority of people will find offensive, then that's effectively giving offense. You didn't answer the original question, either: would you drop the phrase "Sorry, nigger." into casual conversation? If not, why not?
        burgerbrain 16y ago
        Your question is irrelevant. The word being discussed is "bitch" or "bitches", which I most certainly do use often and causally. You are in charge of if you get offended. It is a decision you and only you can make.
        anthonyb 16y ago
        Hardly irrelevant - it's called reductio ad absurdum. If you limit yourself by not using certain words in conversation, then you're confirming that those words are generally offensive, and that using them would give offense. It's why the legal system has the concept of the "reasonable person", but I prefer "Do you talk to your mother with that mouth?"
        burgerbrain 16y ago
        The only reason I do not casually use the word nigger in public is because unlike god, HR departments appear to be omnipresent. "Do you talk to your mother with that mouth?" Yes, I do. And if that bothers you, kindly fuck off. You have no place telling me what I may or may not say in the presence of my mother. If an adult loses their temper in public, they are rightfully looked down upon. If an adult publicly becomes offended, I similarly look down upon them.
        anthonyb 16y ago
        Right - so you're a racist, misogynistic idiot who'd rather put up pithy one liners and tell me to fuck off than address the point. Glad we got that cleared up.
    - burgerbrain 16y ago
      I love the implication here that were more people religious these days, it would be improper to say "damn".
      - billybob 16y ago
        Well, wouldn't it? "Improper" means "will offend people." If nobody is offended by something, it's not improper. If lots of people are, it is. Whether you care is a different matter. If you don't, that makes you a rude person. Which you're free to be, if you wish.
        burgerbrain 16y ago
        It's improper to not adhere to the religion of the majority? Are you nuts?
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- RyanHolliday 16y ago
  It's not misogyny because, according to Merriam-Webster's 11th edition, misogyny means "a hatred of women," and the original comment wasn't about that at all. And it has nothing to do with a segment of society. You're complaining about someone half-jokingly calling us all whiny babies.

Pooter 16y ago

Why can't you explain it? Is it because your post is a bunch of poorly conceived bullshit? Is it because you don't really give any time to consider the intent of what's being said and the social context of the terms employed? Is it cause you're looking to be offended? If you can't provide some analysis of the origins of thoughts and feelings which are presumably your own, maybe you should keep them to yourself till you can.

Pooter 16y ago
If you're gonna disagree, have the courage to do so in writing.

danneu 16y ago

You're showing your disconnection with popular vernacular with your assertion. I'm 22 and girls around me call each other bitches casually (in a friendly, fun way) all the time. You certainly don't speak on the behalf of any women I know. Anyways, holla out to my HN bitches.