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Wouldn't do it any other way. I dipped out of web dev in 2015 to run an ecommerce project. I stopped tracking all the latest js framework news. I settled on a

Wouldn't do it any other way. I dipped out of web dev in 2015 to run an ecommerce project. I stopped tracking all the latest js framework news. I settled on a barebones CSS rule set. I stopped choosing SPAs as the starting point for mvp ideas. I shelved Wordpress and moved some content sites over to Netlify and just recently started using a nifty desktop ssr cms instead of Hugo, Gatsby, etc. I was regressing to the environment I understood in the early 2000s-2010s. I did all of this because I knew there would be a steep learning curve going into modern ecommerce and it seemed reasonable to put everything into hibernation while I attempted to go all-in. I pretty much missed the entire React, Angular, Vue ramp up in the industry. I've since shut down that ecommerce project and find myself peeking back to the js-verse every now and then. I doubt I'll ever voluntarily use one of those frameworks for web dev. I do, however, like this thing called, Svelte.

kareemm 7y ago
> recently started using a nifty desktop ssr cms instead of Hugo, Gatsby, etc. What are you using?
- popup21 7y ago
  Publii. It's developed by a European (France, I think) team. It syncs to Netlify with a single mouse-click.
  - kareemm 7y ago
    Thanks!
  - lenova 7y ago
    +1 for Publii. It feels like it's early days for them (i.e. they only have a few themes & haven't been picked up by the third-party theme developer crowd yet), but man, does Publii make it easy for any end-user to generate and publish a static website.
jakelazaroff 7y ago
> I doubt I'll ever voluntarily use one of those frameworks for web dev. > I do, however, like this thing called, Svelte. Svelte is just another one of “those frameworks”, except with a vastly smaller community: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=svelte%20is,react%20js,angular%20js,vue%20js https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=svelte%20i...
- x3haloed 7y ago
  It's better than everything else because people have never heard of it. When did software engineers become hipsters?
  - nefitty 7y ago
    It seems like a lot of web devs are either stuck chasing novelty or constantly trying to bet on the next big thing. For example, what happened to CoffeeScript? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F0hjc5m0&geo=US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F0hjc5m0&ge... What happened to Ember? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F0s8wr70 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F0s8...
    - hyperdunc 7y ago
      Coffeescript was 'replaced' by ECMAScript 2015. Ember is fine but it's not the end of the line - it's been superseded' in most scenarios by React and Vue.js because those are generally better tools. JS technology changes quickly not for its own sake, but because there are still discoveries to be made about how to improve both syntax and how we think about code. I'm sure the pace will taper off sooner or later, until the Web is taken over by something else.
      - threatofrain 7y ago
        It’s also because JS raced to integrate features which were considered standard elsewhere, back in the dark ages with anonymous self executing functions.
ollerac 7y ago
I made a web app framework [0] for people like you (and me). It lets you use static HTML to build a web app. Data attributes store data in the page and add dynamic features (like CRUD functionality and drag and drop sorting) very easily. Plus, the whole thing is server rendered with Handlebars, so the front-end JS part isn't even required for 95% of visitors (it's only necessary if you're an admin who can edit the current page). I wrote it because I missed the simple days of jQuery and REST APIs. [0] https://remaketheweb.com/ https://remaketheweb.com/
- popup21 7y ago
  Interesting. How are you deploying the server side environment?
  - ollerac 7y ago
    It's an open source Node.js app, so you can deploy yourself it to any host with a persistent file system. No 3rd party database required -- it uses a file-based architecture to make it easier to get started with and modify the data. Its goal is to be simpler and easier to work with than anything else out there. There's also a built-in CLI that can deploy to our free hosting service, which is built on top of Digital Ocean.

kareemm 7y ago

> recently started using a nifty desktop ssr cms instead of Hugo, Gatsby, etc. What are you using?

popup21 7y ago
Publii. It's developed by a European (France, I think) team. It syncs to Netlify with a single mouse-click.
- kareemm 7y ago
  Thanks!
- lenova 7y ago
  +1 for Publii. It feels like it's early days for them (i.e. they only have a few themes & haven't been picked up by the third-party theme developer crowd yet), but man, does Publii make it easy for any end-user to generate and publish a static website.

jakelazaroff 7y ago

> I doubt I'll ever voluntarily use one of those frameworks for web dev. > I do, however, like this thing called, Svelte. Svelte is just another one of “those frameworks”, except with a vastly smaller community: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=svelte%20is,react%20js,angular%20js,vue%20js https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=svelte%20i...

x3haloed 7y ago
It's better than everything else because people have never heard of it. When did software engineers become hipsters?
- nefitty 7y ago
  It seems like a lot of web devs are either stuck chasing novelty or constantly trying to bet on the next big thing. For example, what happened to CoffeeScript? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F0hjc5m0&geo=US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F0hjc5m0&ge... What happened to Ember? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F0s8wr70 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F0s8...
  - hyperdunc 7y ago
    Coffeescript was 'replaced' by ECMAScript 2015. Ember is fine but it's not the end of the line - it's been superseded' in most scenarios by React and Vue.js because those are generally better tools. JS technology changes quickly not for its own sake, but because there are still discoveries to be made about how to improve both syntax and how we think about code. I'm sure the pace will taper off sooner or later, until the Web is taken over by something else.
    - threatofrain 7y ago
      It’s also because JS raced to integrate features which were considered standard elsewhere, back in the dark ages with anonymous self executing functions.

ollerac 7y ago

I made a web app framework [0] for people like you (and me). It lets you use static HTML to build a web app. Data attributes store data in the page and add dynamic features (like CRUD functionality and drag and drop sorting) very easily. Plus, the whole thing is server rendered with Handlebars, so the front-end JS part isn't even required for 95% of visitors (it's only necessary if you're an admin who can edit the current page). I wrote it because I missed the simple days of jQuery and REST APIs. [0] https://remaketheweb.com/ https://remaketheweb.com/

popup21 7y ago
Interesting. How are you deploying the server side environment?
- ollerac 7y ago
  It's an open source Node.js app, so you can deploy yourself it to any host with a persistent file system. No 3rd party database required -- it uses a file-based architecture to make it easier to get started with and modify the data. Its goal is to be simpler and easier to work with than anything else out there. There's also a built-in CLI that can deploy to our free hosting service, which is built on top of Digital Ocean.