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...and so how are they going to buy the next version of the operation system in a years time? I had this with Win XP - I prob used it for 8 years+. Vista was

by dotBen 16y ago

...and so how are they going to buy the next version of the operation system in a years time? I had this with Win XP - I prob used it for 8 years+. Vista was no reason to upgrade. Then I discovered OSX and made the switch over to Mac.

jquery 16y ago
Same here. Then I discovered Windows 7 and switched back to PC.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  What features Win7 has that OSX lacks? Why the switch back?
  - robryan 16y ago
    What features does OSX have that Windows lacks? Assuming a user that doesn't really interact much with the terminal. To me unless your a developer I can't see much that would really drive a decision one way or the other. Can't think of anything that either Windows or OSX makes impossible that the other does.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      - Virtual invulnerability to malware - no need to buy and use crippling and intrusive anti-malware systems. - Partly as a result of the above, it's noticeably faster. - Time Machine (albeit it would be much nicer if it were based on ZFS). - It comes bundled with pretty computers that have no blue LEDs (and most users, Windows and Mac alike, just stick to whatever came pre-installed). My last HP had 18 blue light sources piercing my retinas all the time. - The company comes with a very charismatic CEO. - It's prettier than Windows. - It just works. And keeps working. - If you are a developer, it offers a rich Unix environment matched only by Linux machines - that, I have to admit, don't work as consistently. It also comes with a kick-ass IDE for free. - It already ships with a decent web browser. No need to download and install one. - The App Store promises near-Linux ease for finding, selecting, downloading and keeping software up-to-date. It certainly beats the Windows way of googling for the software, hitting a malware site, going back, searching more, finding the correct site, downloading an executable and giving it the keys to the kingdom so it can do whatever it wants with your computer, something it may never recover from.
      - elxx 16y ago
        I can't tell whether this is a serious post or not, but as someone who uses both every day: > - Virtual invulnerability to malware - no need to buy and use crippling and intrusive anti-malware systems. > - Partly as a result of the above, it's noticeably faster. If you let Windows Update do its thing and recognize that downloading and launching freevideo.avi.exe and granting it admin access seems like a bad idea, there's nothing to worry about. Microsoft Security Essentials is free, stays quiet, and uses a negligible amount of memory. > - Time Machine (albeit it would be much nicer if it were based on ZFS). Backup and Restore. It's not as pretty nor well marketed, but it does the job just fine. > - It comes bundled with pretty computers that have no blue LEDs (and most users, Windows and Mac alike, just stick to whatever came pre-installed). My last HP had 18 blue light sources piercing my retinas all the time. So does Windows. You have a choice of whether to buy a Latitude or the pink Alienware XPS Mega 8000 with the Lady Gaga vinyl faceplate. > - The company comes with a very charismatic CEO. Windows comes with a jolly bald guy and an awesome well known philanthropist. Can we call it a draw? > - It's prettier than Windows. This depends on the person really, but I do love the borderless windows in OSX. The super-fat window borders in Win7 look silly (although you can make them smaller). The other big difference is the Dock, and that probably falls under UX rather than design. I hate how much space it wastes compared to the Taskbar though. > - It just works. And keeps working. Except when something goes wrong, as tends to happen in tech built by anyone running any OS. I think you'll find that the general consensus is that Win7 is rock solid and just as stable as OSX. > - If you are a developer, it offers a rich Unix environment matched only by Linux machines - that, I have to admit, don't work as consistently. It also comes with a kick-ass IDE for free. Win7 has PowerShell and MS gives away Visual Studio Express too. It really depends on what you're developing for, of course. > - It already ships with a decent web browser. No need to download and install one. IE8 is more than decent - it is by far the most popular and reliable method for downloading Firefox. Also, do any OSX power users even use Safari? All the OSX people I know use either Chrome or Firefox. > - The App Store promises near-Linux ease for finding, selecting, downloading and keeping software up-to-date. It certainly beats the Windows way of googling for the software, hitting a malware site, going back, searching more, finding the correct site, downloading an executable and giving it the keys to the kingdom so it can do whatever it wants with your computer, something it may never recover from. My first experience with the App Store was being asked for credit card information when I tried to download the free Twitter app. Ninite is a Windows app that comes close to doing what the App Store does.
  - Freaky 16y ago
    Personally: games, foobar2000, sharper font rendering, and better hardware support -- Mini's and iMacs are too weak, the latter has a silly integrated monitor I don't want, and Mac Pro's are too over the top. OS X can't even use my keyboards properly without third party keymaps :/ Of course I don't do much real work in Windows - that's reserved for FreeBSD, Ubuntu and Debian on various real and virtual systems.
  - sorbus 16y ago
    Features Win7 has that OSX doesn't: - Easily installed on any machine you want. - Hardware generally has two or more mouse buttons. - Will run more games and software than OSX. - Does not come with an app store.
    - philwelch 16y ago
      You're 50/50 there. My Apple mouse and trackpad both support secondary click, and the app store can be easily put directly into the trash.
      - astrange 16y ago
        > My Apple mouse and trackpad both support secondary click And tertiary, and 4-finger, and pinch to zoom, and that rotation gesture, and...
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- larrywright 16y ago
  Can I ask why? I'm really curious, I don't believe I know anyone who has ever switched back to Windows from OS X. I use Win 7 at work and OS X at home, and while Win 7 is the best version of Windows I've ever used (and I started on 3.1), it's no match for OS X.
  - anonymous246 16y ago
    I tried Mac for some time and LOVED LOVED the lack of crapware, but I found it overrated: 1. Blurry text :) 2. iLife apps are nicely approximated by Windows Live. Before I checked out Windows Live Movie Maker, I was very impressed with iMovie. 3. Lack of apps (e.g., wasn't able to find a decent fullscreen, borderless terminal emulator like the alt-enter mode of putty). 4. Didn't seem especially fast or anything compared to Windows (on a 4G machine). 5. Loved the unixyness of the OS. But it's subtly not Unix, which breaks some things. E.g., macports' GCC 4.5.1 + gdb wasn't stable compared to Apple's older versions of gcc. I now ssh into an Ubuntu box from Windows (putty + tmux + consolas FTW) for development.
    - rimantas 16y ago
      #3: Visor #5: OS X is certified UNIX, you cannot get more unixy than that.
    - labria 16y ago
      #3 iTerm2
  - jquery 16y ago
    OS X has the terminal, that's about the only major thing I'd give it over Windows 7, and is the reason I use it at work. I particularly like Win7's great hardware support; I recently built a $2000+ gaming desktop, and it handled all the newfangled hardware like it was born to do it. Another major advantage is multitasking even in the most arduous circumstances--Windows 7 made my older PC* run much faster than my shiny new Macbook Pro. My Macbook Pro is constantly giving me the middle finger in the form of that little bouncing beach ball. I could go on but I don't own Microsoft stock. *That PC was a low end 4-year-old Athlon dual core that could barely play 720p YouTube videos, as a point of comparison. For it to beat my new Macbook Pro in everyday usage was just damning.
- bonch 16y ago
  That seems unusual. My experience with Windows 7 is that it's simply a repackaged Vista with an OS X dock.
  - badwetter 16y ago
    I too am one that has switched back to Windows 7 from MacOS X. OK well not completely I still have one machine using MacOS X but I won't be purchasing anymore MacOS boxen for my business now that Windows 7 is proven to be so capable. Love it!
rbanffy 16y ago
> ...and so how are they going to buy the next version of the operation system in a years time? Like every Windows user does: bundled with a new computer. You are not Microsoft's client. Dell, HP, IBM, Acer are their clients. Your purchases are rounding errors.
sireat 16y ago
I am in the situation of having done Windows XP -> Ubuntu 7->10 -> Windows 7 pro(re)gression at my main workstation. Windows 7 just feels good, lots of small things their usability guys have gotten right. Haven't run into any major problems yet.

by dotBen 16y ago

jquery 16y ago

Same here. Then I discovered Windows 7 and switched back to PC.

rbanffy 16y ago
What features Win7 has that OSX lacks? Why the switch back?
- robryan 16y ago
  What features does OSX have that Windows lacks? Assuming a user that doesn't really interact much with the terminal. To me unless your a developer I can't see much that would really drive a decision one way or the other. Can't think of anything that either Windows or OSX makes impossible that the other does.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    - Virtual invulnerability to malware - no need to buy and use crippling and intrusive anti-malware systems. - Partly as a result of the above, it's noticeably faster. - Time Machine (albeit it would be much nicer if it were based on ZFS). - It comes bundled with pretty computers that have no blue LEDs (and most users, Windows and Mac alike, just stick to whatever came pre-installed). My last HP had 18 blue light sources piercing my retinas all the time. - The company comes with a very charismatic CEO. - It's prettier than Windows. - It just works. And keeps working. - If you are a developer, it offers a rich Unix environment matched only by Linux machines - that, I have to admit, don't work as consistently. It also comes with a kick-ass IDE for free. - It already ships with a decent web browser. No need to download and install one. - The App Store promises near-Linux ease for finding, selecting, downloading and keeping software up-to-date. It certainly beats the Windows way of googling for the software, hitting a malware site, going back, searching more, finding the correct site, downloading an executable and giving it the keys to the kingdom so it can do whatever it wants with your computer, something it may never recover from.
    - elxx 16y ago
      I can't tell whether this is a serious post or not, but as someone who uses both every day: > - Virtual invulnerability to malware - no need to buy and use crippling and intrusive anti-malware systems. > - Partly as a result of the above, it's noticeably faster. If you let Windows Update do its thing and recognize that downloading and launching freevideo.avi.exe and granting it admin access seems like a bad idea, there's nothing to worry about. Microsoft Security Essentials is free, stays quiet, and uses a negligible amount of memory. > - Time Machine (albeit it would be much nicer if it were based on ZFS). Backup and Restore. It's not as pretty nor well marketed, but it does the job just fine. > - It comes bundled with pretty computers that have no blue LEDs (and most users, Windows and Mac alike, just stick to whatever came pre-installed). My last HP had 18 blue light sources piercing my retinas all the time. So does Windows. You have a choice of whether to buy a Latitude or the pink Alienware XPS Mega 8000 with the Lady Gaga vinyl faceplate. > - The company comes with a very charismatic CEO. Windows comes with a jolly bald guy and an awesome well known philanthropist. Can we call it a draw? > - It's prettier than Windows. This depends on the person really, but I do love the borderless windows in OSX. The super-fat window borders in Win7 look silly (although you can make them smaller). The other big difference is the Dock, and that probably falls under UX rather than design. I hate how much space it wastes compared to the Taskbar though. > - It just works. And keeps working. Except when something goes wrong, as tends to happen in tech built by anyone running any OS. I think you'll find that the general consensus is that Win7 is rock solid and just as stable as OSX. > - If you are a developer, it offers a rich Unix environment matched only by Linux machines - that, I have to admit, don't work as consistently. It also comes with a kick-ass IDE for free. Win7 has PowerShell and MS gives away Visual Studio Express too. It really depends on what you're developing for, of course. > - It already ships with a decent web browser. No need to download and install one. IE8 is more than decent - it is by far the most popular and reliable method for downloading Firefox. Also, do any OSX power users even use Safari? All the OSX people I know use either Chrome or Firefox. > - The App Store promises near-Linux ease for finding, selecting, downloading and keeping software up-to-date. It certainly beats the Windows way of googling for the software, hitting a malware site, going back, searching more, finding the correct site, downloading an executable and giving it the keys to the kingdom so it can do whatever it wants with your computer, something it may never recover from. My first experience with the App Store was being asked for credit card information when I tried to download the free Twitter app. Ninite is a Windows app that comes close to doing what the App Store does.
- Freaky 16y ago
  Personally: games, foobar2000, sharper font rendering, and better hardware support -- Mini's and iMacs are too weak, the latter has a silly integrated monitor I don't want, and Mac Pro's are too over the top. OS X can't even use my keyboards properly without third party keymaps :/ Of course I don't do much real work in Windows - that's reserved for FreeBSD, Ubuntu and Debian on various real and virtual systems.
- sorbus 16y ago
  Features Win7 has that OSX doesn't: - Easily installed on any machine you want. - Hardware generally has two or more mouse buttons. - Will run more games and software than OSX. - Does not come with an app store.
  - philwelch 16y ago
    You're 50/50 there. My Apple mouse and trackpad both support secondary click, and the app store can be easily put directly into the trash.
    - astrange 16y ago
      > My Apple mouse and trackpad both support secondary click And tertiary, and 4-finger, and pinch to zoom, and that rotation gesture, and...
  - deleted 16y ago
    [deleted]
larrywright 16y ago
Can I ask why? I'm really curious, I don't believe I know anyone who has ever switched back to Windows from OS X. I use Win 7 at work and OS X at home, and while Win 7 is the best version of Windows I've ever used (and I started on 3.1), it's no match for OS X.
- anonymous246 16y ago
  I tried Mac for some time and LOVED LOVED the lack of crapware, but I found it overrated: 1. Blurry text :) 2. iLife apps are nicely approximated by Windows Live. Before I checked out Windows Live Movie Maker, I was very impressed with iMovie. 3. Lack of apps (e.g., wasn't able to find a decent fullscreen, borderless terminal emulator like the alt-enter mode of putty). 4. Didn't seem especially fast or anything compared to Windows (on a 4G machine). 5. Loved the unixyness of the OS. But it's subtly not Unix, which breaks some things. E.g., macports' GCC 4.5.1 + gdb wasn't stable compared to Apple's older versions of gcc. I now ssh into an Ubuntu box from Windows (putty + tmux + consolas FTW) for development.
  - rimantas 16y ago
    #3: Visor #5: OS X is certified UNIX, you cannot get more unixy than that.
  - labria 16y ago
    #3 iTerm2
- jquery 16y ago
  OS X has the terminal, that's about the only major thing I'd give it over Windows 7, and is the reason I use it at work. I particularly like Win7's great hardware support; I recently built a $2000+ gaming desktop, and it handled all the newfangled hardware like it was born to do it. Another major advantage is multitasking even in the most arduous circumstances--Windows 7 made my older PC* run much faster than my shiny new Macbook Pro. My Macbook Pro is constantly giving me the middle finger in the form of that little bouncing beach ball. I could go on but I don't own Microsoft stock. *That PC was a low end 4-year-old Athlon dual core that could barely play 720p YouTube videos, as a point of comparison. For it to beat my new Macbook Pro in everyday usage was just damning.
bonch 16y ago
That seems unusual. My experience with Windows 7 is that it's simply a repackaged Vista with an OS X dock.
- badwetter 16y ago
  I too am one that has switched back to Windows 7 from MacOS X. OK well not completely I still have one machine using MacOS X but I won't be purchasing anymore MacOS boxen for my business now that Windows 7 is proven to be so capable. Love it!

rbanffy 16y ago

> ...and so how are they going to buy the next version of the operation system in a years time? Like every Windows user does: bundled with a new computer. You are not Microsoft's client. Dell, HP, IBM, Acer are their clients. Your purchases are rounding errors.

sireat 16y ago

I am in the situation of having done Windows XP -> Ubuntu 7->10 -> Windows 7 pro(re)gression at my main workstation. Windows 7 just feels good, lots of small things their usability guys have gotten right. Haven't run into any major problems yet.