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According to this, the offending mail has been deleted from the list. http://techrights.org/2020/02/29/getting-banned-osi/ http://techrights.org/2020/02/29/gett

According to this, the offending mail has been deleted from the list. http://techrights.org/2020/02/29/getting-banned-osi/ http://techrights.org/2020/02/29/getting-banned-osi/

wyoh 7y ago
You still can read it in this reply: http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2020-February/021328.html http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists....
- kodachi 7y ago
  Thanks. This 'under attack' and 'us vs them' really sucks. It would be unwise to form an opinion of the whole thing without actually reading all of the emails. Yes, there are ad-hominem attacks in the email you quoted, and even if ESR was right in everything, probably not the best way to express it. Anyway, at least this outrage brought the issue into attention, now I'm super curious about this matter. I'm reading his side first here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609
CydeWeys 7y ago
Ah yeah, calling people you disagree with Marxists. That really elevates the conversation.
- ptero 7y ago
  The question is not whether it elevates the conversation, but whether this is a sufficient reason for a ban.
  - SilasX 7y ago
    I would think that a ban should be based on what you do to the tone of the conversation. With that said, I don’t see how this email meets that standard.
  - cultus 7y ago
    These kind of bans are never about "one thing." I'm sure this is just the straw that broke the camel's back, especially given ESR's history.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    If someone is consistently debasing the level of conversation then yes, it does merit some kind of action. Unmoderated communities turn to shit very quickly.
- deleted 7y ago
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- Grue3 7y ago
  The people in question are usually quite proud of being Marxists.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  Merely calling people Marxists would be better than what he actually did, which was calling them a “toxic loonytoon” conspiracy theorist engaging in “political ratfucking” by attempting to “install political officers in every open-source project” as part of a campaign against freedom. Sure, he also mentioned Marxism, and probably associates all those other things with Marxism, but the reference to Marxism itself was probably the least problematic part of the barrage of personal attacks.
wyxuan 7y ago
I can't believe the article says that they muzzled ESR because of the Verizon employee. If you look at the response of the employee it is by no means calling for removal and is quite respectful.

According to this, the offending mail has been deleted from the list. http://techrights.org/2020/02/29/getting-banned-osi/ http://techrights.org/2020/02/29/getting-banned-osi/

wyoh 7y ago

You still can read it in this reply: http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2020-February/021328.html http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists....

kodachi 7y ago
Thanks. This 'under attack' and 'us vs them' really sucks. It would be unwise to form an opinion of the whole thing without actually reading all of the emails. Yes, there are ad-hominem attacks in the email you quoted, and even if ESR was right in everything, probably not the best way to express it. Anyway, at least this outrage brought the issue into attention, now I'm super curious about this matter. I'm reading his side first here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609

CydeWeys 7y ago

Ah yeah, calling people you disagree with Marxists. That really elevates the conversation.

ptero 7y ago
The question is not whether it elevates the conversation, but whether this is a sufficient reason for a ban.
- SilasX 7y ago
  I would think that a ban should be based on what you do to the tone of the conversation. With that said, I don’t see how this email meets that standard.
- cultus 7y ago
  These kind of bans are never about "one thing." I'm sure this is just the straw that broke the camel's back, especially given ESR's history.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  If someone is consistently debasing the level of conversation then yes, it does merit some kind of action. Unmoderated communities turn to shit very quickly.
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Grue3 7y ago
The people in question are usually quite proud of being Marxists.
dragonwriter 7y ago
Merely calling people Marxists would be better than what he actually did, which was calling them a “toxic loonytoon” conspiracy theorist engaging in “political ratfucking” by attempting to “install political officers in every open-source project” as part of a campaign against freedom. Sure, he also mentioned Marxism, and probably associates all those other things with Marxism, but the reference to Marxism itself was probably the least problematic part of the barrage of personal attacks.

wyxuan 7y ago

I can't believe the article says that they muzzled ESR because of the Verizon employee. If you look at the response of the employee it is by no means calling for removal and is quite respectful.