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Yes; Yes; Yes but not in the weekend; Yes up to 6 p.m. Not sure. The official document enforcing the "red zone " for this morning is here: https://drive.google

by J_cst 7y ago

Yes; Yes; Yes but not in the weekend; Yes up to 6 p.m. Not sure. The official document enforcing the "red zone " for this morning is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y3Vl8VmAww2sGfFBSH9Vfa4fwQ8-hmAP/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y3Vl8VmAww2sGfFBSH9Vfa4fwQ8... It's in Italian, you may try a machine translation if needed

chvid 7y ago
Ok. Let's hope that is enough to get the spread under control. It is still far from the lockdown in Wuhan where people are not allowed to leave their appartments and get food delivered by the authorities. I am in Copenhagen where the latest is that the government has adviced against gatherings of more than 1.000 people causing some football matches to be on TV only and some concerts to lower their number of attendees to 950.
- J_cst 7y ago
  We are Italians and we are unable to respect the rules. Tonight a pdf of a draft of the above document has leaked and we had thousands of people rushing to the train stations to get out from Milan and Lombardia region. So basically we created a situation where thousands of people packed to flee from the red zones to get back to their regions in south italy (and possibly to spread the disease even more). Italians are strong individualists and think they're really smart. Spoiler: we are not
  - lbeltrame 7y ago
    > Tonight a pdf of a draft of the above document has leaked I'm surprised people are surprised that such a thing leaked. This has been going on for years, except, no one batted an eye. > We are Italians and we are unable to respect the rules. As an Italian too, I don't like this generalization. You can make people more willing to follow rules if you approach them correctly. Going full-paternalistic mode (like this government has been doing) or even blaming them ("don't play dumb", is that something one would expect from a PM?) isn't going to help.
    - J_cst 7y ago
      Ok, so the thousands people at the train station it must be a one off situation, my mistake. It's quite obvious that generalizations are always wrong, but you know our people as I do. I believe the patterns should be quite evident by now. Obviously there are outliers that do not share the common patterns among Italians too.
      - lbeltrame 7y ago
        Ignoring the snark, I'm not surprised by people rushing to trains. It's not their fault: they perceived a threat, they're not equipped to deal with it, so "everyone for himself". And why that happened? Because whoever is in charge of making sure that the population is reassured (and that's different from pretending that nothing is happening) did not do that. (Personally, I believe that it's those who not do what should be done are the actual outliers, although the media does an excellent job at cherry picking bad apples).

by J_cst 7y ago

chvid 7y ago

Ok. Let's hope that is enough to get the spread under control. It is still far from the lockdown in Wuhan where people are not allowed to leave their appartments and get food delivered by the authorities. I am in Copenhagen where the latest is that the government has adviced against gatherings of more than 1.000 people causing some football matches to be on TV only and some concerts to lower their number of attendees to 950.

J_cst 7y ago
We are Italians and we are unable to respect the rules. Tonight a pdf of a draft of the above document has leaked and we had thousands of people rushing to the train stations to get out from Milan and Lombardia region. So basically we created a situation where thousands of people packed to flee from the red zones to get back to their regions in south italy (and possibly to spread the disease even more). Italians are strong individualists and think they're really smart. Spoiler: we are not
- lbeltrame 7y ago
  > Tonight a pdf of a draft of the above document has leaked I'm surprised people are surprised that such a thing leaked. This has been going on for years, except, no one batted an eye. > We are Italians and we are unable to respect the rules. As an Italian too, I don't like this generalization. You can make people more willing to follow rules if you approach them correctly. Going full-paternalistic mode (like this government has been doing) or even blaming them ("don't play dumb", is that something one would expect from a PM?) isn't going to help.
  - J_cst 7y ago
    Ok, so the thousands people at the train station it must be a one off situation, my mistake. It's quite obvious that generalizations are always wrong, but you know our people as I do. I believe the patterns should be quite evident by now. Obviously there are outliers that do not share the common patterns among Italians too.
    - lbeltrame 7y ago
      Ignoring the snark, I'm not surprised by people rushing to trains. It's not their fault: they perceived a threat, they're not equipped to deal with it, so "everyone for himself". And why that happened? Because whoever is in charge of making sure that the population is reassured (and that's different from pretending that nothing is happening) did not do that. (Personally, I believe that it's those who not do what should be done are the actual outliers, although the media does an excellent job at cherry picking bad apples).