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It would only be an antitrust issue if they said they couldnt show other sign in options anymore. This is cleverly done and is an option with a lot less fricti

It would only be an antitrust issue if they said they couldnt show other sign in options anymore. This is cleverly done and is an option with a lot less friction that needs to leverage its potential network effects.

joshuamorton 7y ago
The argument for it being anticompetative is straightforward: apple is leveraging it's position in the mobile Phone space to push it's way into social login "markets", or equivalently hurt others in that space.
- rolltiide 7y ago
  > apple is leveraging it's position in the mobile Phone space to push it's way into social login but they aren't removing choice, they are only adding choice in their approval processes, and leaving it to the developers to decide to remove choice when they get social login fatigue but want high engagement and low friction. Looks like they dotted their I's and crossed their T's on this one.
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    They're adding requirements to create an app that hurt competitors of apple in non-appstore contexts. That's anticompetative behavior (at least in some places).
dannyperson 7y ago
For a dev with little to no time, this does basically say you can't show other sign in options. You can have only Apple sign in, but not only $competitor sign in. Let's say I have an old app that isn't bringing me much new revenue. I have currently have implemented two options: sign in with email + password, and "sign in with Google". After this announcement, I would just remove "sign in with Google" as an option, and force all my users who previously used "sign in with Google" to set a password.
- rolltiide 7y ago
  > After this announcement, I would just remove "sign in with Google" as an option, and force all my users who previously used "sign in with Google" to set a password. Okay, you do that. That's not a punishment to Apple, you might bounce some of your own users and is a choice you made exclusively. > You can have only Apple sign in, but not only $competitor sign in. If that's the antitrust argument, they just need to reword it say "and include another signin method" or logged out functionality. I just don't think thats a strong enough argument, as they aren't removing choice in any way only adding it, except to people with existing apps - like you - who will risk decimating all their own users.

joshuamorton 7y ago

The argument for it being anticompetative is straightforward: apple is leveraging it's position in the mobile Phone space to push it's way into social login "markets", or equivalently hurt others in that space.

rolltiide 7y ago
> apple is leveraging it's position in the mobile Phone space to push it's way into social login but they aren't removing choice, they are only adding choice in their approval processes, and leaving it to the developers to decide to remove choice when they get social login fatigue but want high engagement and low friction. Looks like they dotted their I's and crossed their T's on this one.
- joshuamorton 7y ago
  They're adding requirements to create an app that hurt competitors of apple in non-appstore contexts. That's anticompetative behavior (at least in some places).

dannyperson 7y ago

For a dev with little to no time, this does basically say you can't show other sign in options. You can have only Apple sign in, but not only $competitor sign in. Let's say I have an old app that isn't bringing me much new revenue. I have currently have implemented two options: sign in with email + password, and "sign in with Google". After this announcement, I would just remove "sign in with Google" as an option, and force all my users who previously used "sign in with Google" to set a password.

rolltiide 7y ago
> After this announcement, I would just remove "sign in with Google" as an option, and force all my users who previously used "sign in with Google" to set a password. Okay, you do that. That's not a punishment to Apple, you might bounce some of your own users and is a choice you made exclusively. > You can have only Apple sign in, but not only $competitor sign in. If that's the antitrust argument, they just need to reword it say "and include another signin method" or logged out functionality. I just don't think thats a strong enough argument, as they aren't removing choice in any way only adding it, except to people with existing apps - like you - who will risk decimating all their own users.