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Because they don't give a shit about your privacy, it's only marketing stuff. The only reason they can argue that it's because their income is not based on ex

by Kuinox 7y ago

Because they don't give a shit about your privacy, it's only marketing stuff. The only reason they can argue that it's because their income is not based on exploiting your data. Multiple time per year your can see articles on HN how Apple breached privacy of their users.

hugi 7y ago
Really? I didn't know that. Please show me all the times Apple has breached my privacy.
- CogitoCogito 7y ago
  Apple sets an advertising ID by default that applications use to uniquely identify you. This allows mass surveillance. It is antithetical to all of Apple's claims to support privacy.
  - jedieaston 7y ago
    Limit Ad Tracking was turned on by default after a fresh install of iOS 13 on my phone. I don’t think they give you one by default.
    - CogitoCogito 7y ago
      I can't speak for iOS 13, but it's been reset to "off" for me (as in "don't limit tracking") both times I factory reset my phone. I've never heard of it being set to on by default. If that's some new change then they only made a mockery of their claims to support privacy for the last decade or so. Hardly impressive since they never should have had it by default anyway.
      - CogitoCogito 7y ago
        Why am I receiving downvotes? I can't find any information supporting any claims that Apple is setting "limit ad tracking" by default on any versions. Here is some relevant information: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 I would be very curious (and happy!) to receive any information indicating that I'm wrong in my belief that ad tracking is not being limited by default. edit: I am not sure if this source is correct, but it does agree with me: https://threatpost.com/privacy-iphone-apples-targeted-ad-tracking/144025/ https://threatpost.com/privacy-iphone-apples-targeted-ad-tra... "A unique identifier is enabled by default on every iPhone that’s shipped, allowing advertisers to follow the phone’s activity across the web."
- slivanes 7y ago
  Apple's default search engine is Google - they sold it to the highest bidder, a company that absorbs your private info. Chinese citizens do not receive the benefits of the rest of the world. Apple will remove apps from the store that could benefit its citizen's freedoms at the whim of that government to allow themselves to remain in that market. Your iCloud backups are not encrypted on Apple servers.
  - alwillis 7y ago
    Apple's default search engine is Google - they sold it to the highest bidder, a company that absorbs your private info. And Safari stops Google and other 3rd-party ad providers from tracking you all over the web.
  - nemothekid 7y ago
    None of these are breaches. They are all explictily spelled out in the terms of service, and regarding the first option, you are free to change it. Apple not doing things your way doesn't constitute a breach. >Chinese citizens do not receive the benefits of the rest of the world. How is this Apple's fault? The Chinese government explicitly prevents their citizens from having those benefits.
- Kuinox 7y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748
millstone 7y ago
Apple is leaving a ton of money on the table, because they care about privacy. There's a reason the adtech industry howls so hard when Apple pulls moves like this.
conradev 7y ago
What people don't seem to realize is that Apple was actually pushing the envelope on privacy before they realized they could lean into it as an advantage. They released per-app access controls in iOS 6[1] (which was huge!) in 2012 and didn't bother to mention it in their marketing[2]. The reviews of the update don't mention it either[3]. The same feature landed in Android 6.0 three years later. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/173128/new-ios-6-privacy-settings-limit-access-to-photos-contact-calendars-and-more/ https://www.cultofmac.com/173128/new-ios-6-privacy-settings-... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20120615175407/http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6 https://web.archive.org/web/20120615175407/http://www.apple.... [3] https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/21/3363060/ios-6-review https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/21/3363060/ios-6-review
- Kuinox 7y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748

by Kuinox 7y ago

hugi 7y ago

Really? I didn't know that. Please show me all the times Apple has breached my privacy.

CogitoCogito 7y ago
Apple sets an advertising ID by default that applications use to uniquely identify you. This allows mass surveillance. It is antithetical to all of Apple's claims to support privacy.
- jedieaston 7y ago
  Limit Ad Tracking was turned on by default after a fresh install of iOS 13 on my phone. I don’t think they give you one by default.
  - CogitoCogito 7y ago
    I can't speak for iOS 13, but it's been reset to "off" for me (as in "don't limit tracking") both times I factory reset my phone. I've never heard of it being set to on by default. If that's some new change then they only made a mockery of their claims to support privacy for the last decade or so. Hardly impressive since they never should have had it by default anyway.
    - CogitoCogito 7y ago
      Why am I receiving downvotes? I can't find any information supporting any claims that Apple is setting "limit ad tracking" by default on any versions. Here is some relevant information: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 I would be very curious (and happy!) to receive any information indicating that I'm wrong in my belief that ad tracking is not being limited by default. edit: I am not sure if this source is correct, but it does agree with me: https://threatpost.com/privacy-iphone-apples-targeted-ad-tracking/144025/ https://threatpost.com/privacy-iphone-apples-targeted-ad-tra... "A unique identifier is enabled by default on every iPhone that’s shipped, allowing advertisers to follow the phone’s activity across the web."
slivanes 7y ago
Apple's default search engine is Google - they sold it to the highest bidder, a company that absorbs your private info. Chinese citizens do not receive the benefits of the rest of the world. Apple will remove apps from the store that could benefit its citizen's freedoms at the whim of that government to allow themselves to remain in that market. Your iCloud backups are not encrypted on Apple servers.
- alwillis 7y ago
  Apple's default search engine is Google - they sold it to the highest bidder, a company that absorbs your private info. And Safari stops Google and other 3rd-party ad providers from tracking you all over the web.
- nemothekid 7y ago
  None of these are breaches. They are all explictily spelled out in the terms of service, and regarding the first option, you are free to change it. Apple not doing things your way doesn't constitute a breach. >Chinese citizens do not receive the benefits of the rest of the world. How is this Apple's fault? The Chinese government explicitly prevents their citizens from having those benefits.
Kuinox 7y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748

millstone 7y ago

Apple is leaving a ton of money on the table, because they care about privacy. There's a reason the adtech industry howls so hard when Apple pulls moves like this.

conradev 7y ago

What people don't seem to realize is that Apple was actually pushing the envelope on privacy before they realized they could lean into it as an advantage. They released per-app access controls in iOS 6[1] (which was huge!) in 2012 and didn't bother to mention it in their marketing[2]. The reviews of the update don't mention it either[3]. The same feature landed in Android 6.0 three years later. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/173128/new-ios-6-privacy-settings-limit-access-to-photos-contact-calendars-and-more/ https://www.cultofmac.com/173128/new-ios-6-privacy-settings-... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20120615175407/http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6 https://web.archive.org/web/20120615175407/http://www.apple.... [3] https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/21/3363060/ios-6-review https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/21/3363060/ios-6-review

Kuinox 7y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15845400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590748