I'm certainly not up for censorship. A lot of it just comes across as American power projection (always the good guy American torturing the bad foreigner doing

I'm certainly not up for censorship. A lot of it just comes across as American power projection (always the good guy American torturing the bad foreigner doing evil things), which I guess is just a fact of life unless you avoid Hollywood and stick to international/art house cinema. Aside from glorifying war and torture, it's such a low-effort cliche and it fails at evoking disgust when it's shrouded in a plot that absolves the good guys of all wrong doing. You know, the end justifies the means, and a side-effect is that now people think torture is good so long as you think the victim is bad. Imagine how many people in Guantanamo have been subjected to over a decade of this treatment under the utterly delusional belief that they must have some information to offer and cannot, under any circumstance, be innocent, so therefore they deserve it. As a counter-example, Antichrist features some scenes that could be seen as torture if the story was reframed. Same with Nymphomania. While that kind of shock value is par for the course for Lars von Trier, it doesn't necessarily celebrate it. I'm sure plenty wanted to ban or censor that; I just wanted to see something genuinely disturbing.