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Ask YC: HN submissions feels like submissions on reddit post sale, do you guys feel the same way?

7 points by _bdcu 18y ago

HN submissions feels like submissions on reddit after it was purchased by wired parent company. Do you guys feel the same way?

iamdave 18y ago
Please pardon the way this sounds, I only aim to help: Lately, yes but continuously saying "this place is turning into Reddit" really doesn't help nearly as much as continuously posting the types of articles people come here to read.
- _bdcu 18y ago
  Sorry, I meant quality of submissions.
- marvin 18y ago
  Posting good stories and comments won't help if the quality of the community at large is going downhill. And what else would the falling quality of the stories and comments be a symptom of? No amount of "following the guidelines" or "only posting interesting stories" by the regular community will help if there is a swarm of other users who don't give a fuck. If this development persists, history dictates that the old regulars won't hang around for long, which is really sad. It's such a pain in the ass to drift around the internet like nomads, leaving for new territory when the locusts come to consume the places you know and love.. For the record, I do my best: I submit new stories when I find them and produce (presumably) useful commentary. And it works, for now, but I'm not very hopeful as to what HN will look like in a year.
  - bkudria 18y ago
    That seems to suggest the next system should be designed to expressly counter this effect. Perhaps, allow groups to form and close themselves off, while still remaining on the site? Move to a different subsite (instead of a whole new site)? This might be a little more successful than trying to filter submissions in some way for some nebulous "quality".
    - DenisM 18y ago
      The "funny" thing is that all these problems are not new. They are all manifestation of Eternal September http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September Even the Eternal September itself was a reflection of a problem that happened earlier when USENET has grown beyond size where most people knew each other and quality of conversation went down. Alas I am not able to find the links for it, it would be really nice to find those complains. The other funny thing is that there is a well-known way to preserve the comunity - maintain very strict set of rules and punish all deviations by a singular authority (THE Moderator) and his minions. Fidonet used to work that way and it worked very well. It only fails when The Moderator loosens the grip for even short time - the place gets overrun and can not be taken back. The problem is that any moderator will have a moment of weakness and so Fidonet got entirely overrun in the end. The more things change the more they stay the same.
noodle 18y ago
not really, but i do kind of feel like the majority of the submissions i see are from people trying to karma whore via automatic submissions of popular-ish sites i feel like reading the new links area is like reading my feed reader. which is unavoidable, and what i do to combat it is submit more quality things when i can find them, and be picky with my modding things up.
fiaz 18y ago
I like the extra level of filtration from reddit for postings that are relevant to what draws people to come to HN. I could care less if a posting was on reddit before it comes to HN.
ojbyrne 18y ago
I think what happens is that eventually there aren't enough "good" links out there that haven't been submitted, but there's still a demand to be filled. Newspapers keep "filler" stories around for that eventuality ("slow news day"). I think the same thing happens on social news sites - especially ones that grow - because the demand (for new stuff) eventually outstrips the supply (of good new stuff).
ComputerGuru 18y ago
Dude, give it a break already. Constantly crying about how HN doesn't suite your taste isn't going to make it any better and certainly doesn't raise the quality of the front page articles.
- _bdcu 18y ago
  I am not constantly complaining about HN submissions. I do submit good (the ones I think are good) links.

7 points by _bdcu 18y ago

HN submissions feels like submissions on reddit after it was purchased by wired parent company. Do you guys feel the same way?

iamdave 18y ago

Please pardon the way this sounds, I only aim to help: Lately, yes but continuously saying "this place is turning into Reddit" really doesn't help nearly as much as continuously posting the types of articles people come here to read.

_bdcu 18y ago
Sorry, I meant quality of submissions.
marvin 18y ago
Posting good stories and comments won't help if the quality of the community at large is going downhill. And what else would the falling quality of the stories and comments be a symptom of? No amount of "following the guidelines" or "only posting interesting stories" by the regular community will help if there is a swarm of other users who don't give a fuck. If this development persists, history dictates that the old regulars won't hang around for long, which is really sad. It's such a pain in the ass to drift around the internet like nomads, leaving for new territory when the locusts come to consume the places you know and love.. For the record, I do my best: I submit new stories when I find them and produce (presumably) useful commentary. And it works, for now, but I'm not very hopeful as to what HN will look like in a year.
- bkudria 18y ago
  That seems to suggest the next system should be designed to expressly counter this effect. Perhaps, allow groups to form and close themselves off, while still remaining on the site? Move to a different subsite (instead of a whole new site)? This might be a little more successful than trying to filter submissions in some way for some nebulous "quality".
  - DenisM 18y ago
    The "funny" thing is that all these problems are not new. They are all manifestation of Eternal September http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September Even the Eternal September itself was a reflection of a problem that happened earlier when USENET has grown beyond size where most people knew each other and quality of conversation went down. Alas I am not able to find the links for it, it would be really nice to find those complains. The other funny thing is that there is a well-known way to preserve the comunity - maintain very strict set of rules and punish all deviations by a singular authority (THE Moderator) and his minions. Fidonet used to work that way and it worked very well. It only fails when The Moderator loosens the grip for even short time - the place gets overrun and can not be taken back. The problem is that any moderator will have a moment of weakness and so Fidonet got entirely overrun in the end. The more things change the more they stay the same.

noodle 18y ago

not really, but i do kind of feel like the majority of the submissions i see are from people trying to karma whore via automatic submissions of popular-ish sites i feel like reading the new links area is like reading my feed reader. which is unavoidable, and what i do to combat it is submit more quality things when i can find them, and be picky with my modding things up.

fiaz 18y ago

I like the extra level of filtration from reddit for postings that are relevant to what draws people to come to HN. I could care less if a posting was on reddit before it comes to HN.

ojbyrne 18y ago

I think what happens is that eventually there aren't enough "good" links out there that haven't been submitted, but there's still a demand to be filled. Newspapers keep "filler" stories around for that eventuality ("slow news day"). I think the same thing happens on social news sites - especially ones that grow - because the demand (for new stuff) eventually outstrips the supply (of good new stuff).

ComputerGuru 18y ago

Dude, give it a break already. Constantly crying about how HN doesn't suite your taste isn't going to make it any better and certainly doesn't raise the quality of the front page articles.

_bdcu 18y ago
I am not constantly complaining about HN submissions. I do submit good (the ones I think are good) links.